THE SUNNI CREED VERSUS THE NICENE CREED

THE SUNNI CREED   VERSUS   THE NICENE CREED

I would like to briefly compare the Muslim belief of Tawheed (Islamic Monotheism) with the standard Christian doctrine. Recently i’ve been dealing with involved with debates on some “Muslim-Christian” dialogue pages. Many of the Christians unleash one round of vitriol after another against Islam. Much of it is misinformation, some of it is information taken out of context and intentionally warped, and some of it is outright lies. Among the lies is that these anti-Muslim bigots claim that the word “Allah” refers to a “curse” (malediction) or to a demon or to an alleged moon deity. These Western (or Westernized) Christians are willing to stoop to the level of deeming tens of millions of their Arab Christian brothers and sisters devil and moon worshipers because, they want to confuse the public about the genuine Islamic belief in God.

In brief, Muslims worship the Creator and not any of the creations. The universe exists. It could not be self-created; the universe must have a start. The Creator originated the universe, and the Creator alone is Beginningless. The Creator existed before the creations. Before the Heavens and Earth, before light or darkness, before time, space, and direction, there was a Creator. The Creator is not dependent upon any of the creations, and this is clear that since God existed before the creations, God does not need any of the creations. God—the One Who created everything—knows everything, and the Creator has power over everything. Nothing is to be unless God creates it.

The Creator is One. No one or thing creates except God. Humans, don’t create, we merely manipulate (or imagine) and both our bodies and our minds are created by God. The Creator is Unique. God has no similarity—at all—to the creations. God is not a material being. God is not a spiritual being. God is the CREATOR of matter and spirit. Whatever one imagines, the Creator is different from that. The Creator is Indivisible (Non-Dividable). The Creator is not composed of pieces or parts. The Creator is not composed of organs, or limbs, or a substance. The Creator does not have a color or a shape. The Creator is not an object or an image. The Creator does not have a size or any other dimensions. The Creator exists without being in a place, for God existed before the creation of place without a place. God is not a spatial entity and is not in a location or a direction.

In summary, Muslims worship the One, Perfect Eternal Creator, Who is the Creator of everything and ABSOLUTELY does not need or resemble anything. Now with that said, we will produce what is known as the Nicene Creed, which has been standard Christian doctrine for nearly 1,700 years. It should be kept in mind that this doctrine was an innovation that came about some three hundred years after the time of Jesus on Earth. Even the Bible, as corrupt of a text as it is, does not have any explicit passage to justify this absurd doctrine***.

The Nicence Creed (in caps) says:

I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, AND OF ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE.

[Commentary: It is blasphemy to ascribe “fatherhood” to the Creator. The “father” is one whose reproductive essence has united with the egg of a female and produced an offspring. The Creator is not composed of body parts or bodily fluids; hence, the Creator is not attributed with reproductive essence and the fathering of children.]

The Nicene creed says:

AND IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE ONLY-BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER BEFORE ALL WORLDS; GOD OF GOD, LIGHT OF LIGHT, VERY GOD OF VERY GOD; BEGOTTEN, NOT MADE, BEING OF ONE SUBSTANCE WITH THE FATHER, BY WHOM ALL THINGS WERE MADE.

[Commentary: With this passage, it should be clear why the European intellectuals and scientists abandoned Christianity. And it should be clear why the Christian Church opposed rational and scientific inquiry. Only by warping and distorting the mind can one come to accept such a doctrine. We have mentioned above why fatherhood can’t be ascribed to God. Corporeality (i.e., being a body)—by its very nature—is contrary to Godhood. God is Eternal and does not need anything. The body, in the least, needs a designated amount of space to exist. God created space and God does not require space in order to exist. Being in need (for example, being a body) and being God are inherently contradictory.

A thing cannot be contrary to definition (you can’t have a square that’s a circle; you can’t have a grapefruit that’s a rhinoceros). The act of begetting (fathering) is an occurrence. It has a beginning. God is Eternal; that which is begotten is originated. The originated being cannot transform and become beginningless.

To claim that there is a “God” that was derived “from God” is a rejection of (any pretense to) monotheism (belief in One God). We know that the Creator would necessarily be Eternal. That which is begotten necessarily existed AFTER the existence of the one who begot it. Hence it is clear—even by Christian “logic”—that Jesus could not be the Eternal Creator. Furthermore, the Creator is not light and is not composed of light. Both light and darkness are created by the Creator. And as was mentioned, the Creator is not a substance, and the creations (Jesus nor any other creation) are not composed from a “part of God.”]

The Nicene Creed goes on to say of Jesus:

WHO, FOR US MEN FOR OUR SALVATION, CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, AND WAS INCARNATE BY THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE VIRGIN MARY, AND WAS MADE MAN; AND WAS CRUCIFIED ALSO FOR US UNDER PONTIUS PILATE; HE SUFFERED AND WAS BURIED; AND THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN, ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES; AND ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN, AND SITS ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER; AND HE SHALL COME AGAIN, WITH GLORY, TO JUDGE THE QUICK AND THE DEAD; WHOSE KINGDOM SHALL HAVE NO END.

[Commentary: This is pure paganism derived from the various heathen cults that flourished in the Mediterranean region of the time. According to Christian doctrine, Jesus and God (and God is suppose to be Jesus) both dwell inside of Heaven. It seems that the composers of this doctrine forgot that before there was a Heaven, there was a Creator. The Creator of space existed before space, and after creating space, the Creator did not transform and materialize in a space (in the space of Heaven or elsewhere).

The belief of alleged gods incarnating is a common theme in ancient pagan cults. The founders of Christian ideology imitated the polytheists in this regard. This doctrine is beyond absurd. According to this creed we have (allegedly) the Eternal God transforming into and infant, growing up, getting tortured, and eventually getting murdered. The one who believes such has no understanding of what befits God and what does not. Such a doctrine makes no distinction between the Creator and the creations.

The One Who is Eternal does not change. Change is a characteristic of the originated beings. Eternality and change (like, being a body and being Free-of-Need) are mutually exclusive. The Eternal has no start; a change must have a start. And one can’t say that something has a start—but it has no start. To claim so is to render words meaningless and discussion (or understanding) impossible.

As for Jesus allegedly sitting on the “right hand side of the ‘Father,’” the True God does not exist in a direction. As we have made abundantly clear, the Creator is not an object or spatial entity of any sort, and this is clearly asserted in the widely renown treatise on Sunni doctrine by Abu Ja`far AtTahawiyy:

God is supremely clear of all boundaries, extremities, sides, organs, appendages, and instruments. None of the six directions [above and below, front and back, right and left] contain God as is the case with all the originated beings.”]

The Nicene Creed goes on to say:

AND I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY GHOST, THE LORD AND GIVER OF LIFE; WHO PROCEEDS FROM THE FATHER [AND THE SON]; WHO WITH THE FATHER AND THE SON TOGETHER IS WORSHIPPED AND GLORIFIED; WHO SPOKE BY THE PROPHETS.

[Commentary: Even the Bible (which is not a reliable anthology) says nothing of the ancient Prophets worshiping a triune entity. The basic rational proof against such a belief is as follows:

The three beings that allegedly comprise the Trinity would have either be dependent upon each other or independent of each other. If they are dependent upon each other, then they would all be weak and not Free-of-Need. And if none of them are Free-of-Need, then none of them could be Almighty God.

If these three beings are independent of each other, then they could will whatever they “choose,” and it would necessarily be. However, we (or the Christians) would run into the rule of non-contradiction: “contradictory statements cannot both be true in the same sense at the same time.” If there were three beings with Absolute Wills, then they could will matters contrary to one another (such as, the self-same sun rising, and setting, and being at high noon simultaneously in the same location). Natural intelligence tells us that such an event could never occur under any circumstances. This means that it is not possible for all three of the entities of the (supposed) Trinity to have Absolute Will. This would logically mean that at least two of them are relatively imperfect and not God. (In reality, given what the Christians attribute to all three entities of the Trinity, none of them could be God.)]

This should be enough for the mindful (and sincere) to realize that Christianity cannot be the religion of the Creator. The Nicene Creed (i.e., standard Christian doctrine) is problematic from many other perspectives, such as, how the pure monotheistic teachings of Jesus were compromised for paganism, how the Trinity doctrine and claim that Jesus is the only (supposed) “son of God” contradicts the Bible, how the Bible came into being, how the different major Churches can’t agree upon what books belong in the Bible, etc. For the earnest seekers, if they wish to know the Truth, the first question they should ask is: “Who is God?” We know God, not by assigning Godhood to what comes up in our imaginations, but by seeking to know what befits the Creator and what does not.

God is One. There is only One Creator. The Creator has no beginning and has no end. The Creator knows everything and has power over all the creations. The Creator does not resemble what is created. The Creator, the One Who existed before the creations, does not need any of the creations. This is the True Belief in God. This is what Muslims believe and invite all of humanity to follow.

May Allah enable us to die on pure Monotheism, and not associate any partners with our Lord.  Ameen.

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