Wahhabis and the Quasi-Traditionalists (Part 2)

Wahhabis and the Quasi-Traditionalists (Part 2)

Kinda hard to understand (well, not really–there’s a lot of money involved and some people are driven by the desire for recognition).  You have a self-proclaimed “Ash`ari” (at least part of the time, apparently) speaking at a fundraiser for America’s premier Wahhabi–with his own roadshow Wahhabi program that indoctrinates thousands of young people annually with Wahhabi ideology and creed (the character even did his Ph. D. on Ibn Taymiyyah).  Honestly how does this even work?  The Ash`aris (the genuine Ash`aris) state unequivocally that the Wahhabis are disbelievers.  The Wahhabis, with their doctrine of believing that the Creator exists in a location, has organs and limbs, and is otherwise a spatial entity, are NOT MUSLIMS.  Abu Hasan Al-Ash`ari, himself said:

“Whoever believes that Allah is a jism [object--spatial entity] is ignorant of his Lord AND IS A DISBELIEVER.”  (An-Nawaadir)

This REALLY shows that these quasi-traditionalists are on some sort of Satanic agenda.  They are virtually SILENT about the topic of kufr/riddah, while KNOWING the level of ignorance and confusion MANY Muslims (and those who identify as such) about the matters of `Aqidah.  Furthermore, it is the theology of Wahhabism that drives the IDEOLOGY of these radical extremists, like Ash-Shabab, ISIS, Boko Haram, Al-Qaeda, ad nauseum.  On the one hand these quasi-traditionalists will (claim to) condemn these murderous factions… but then they don’t explain the theology of these extremists and how that theology is based on a blasphemous belief in the Creator.

I don’t see how one can possibly think that these quasi-traditionalists are “sincere.”  It isn’t difficult to explain the proper Islamic belief in the Creator:

Allah is One; Allah exists without a beginning and everything else exists with a beginning; Allah is the Creator and everything else is a creation.  Allah knows everything and has power over all the creations.  Allah is ABSOLUTELY Incomparable and Free-of-Need; Allah is not an object or image.  Allah is not a material or spiritual entity.  Allah existed before space and direction, and Allah exists without being in space or a direction.  Whatever you imagine Allah is different from that—and whoever believes or says contrary to what was mentioned above is NOT A MUSLIM.  He may the worshiper of something or other, but he is not a Creator-worshiper, and  hence, not a Muslim.

Wahhabis (so-called “Salafis) on the other hand, pray to a giant unidentified extraterrestrial bipedal smiling faced object with one shin and fingers.  These people are NOT MUSLIMS—they are object (or image) worshipers.  They are PAGANS.  The Wahhabis misconstrue certain Verses and Hadiths—they take that which should not be taken literally as something literal.  As a result of this faulty method of literalism, they think the Creator is an object, and they think that murder is a meritorious act of worship.

As one can see, it is not difficult to explain the difference between the Islamic belief in the Creator and the Wahhabi belief in the Creator.  The Muslim belief in God is rationally consistent and sound, and the Wahhabi belief is based upon absurdities and contradictions… and it is those doctrines that lead to the Wahhabis going about committing the atrocities that they do in the “name of Islam.”  May Allah protect us from these despicable quasi-traditionalist swindlers and from the these Wahhabi, pseudo-salafi-pagans.

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Wahhabis and the Quasi-Traditionalists (Part 1)

WAHHABIS AND THE QUASI-TRADITIONALISTS

Among the major fitan (tribulations) that the Muslims are facing in the West are the quasi-traditionalists.  These are people who CLAIM to be of Ahlus-Sunnah (Sunni Islam), but they have an agenda to distort Islam.  These people are not (usually) Wahhabis.  These people CLAIM to follow traditional scholarship: one of the four orthodox schools of Sunni jurisprudence, one of the two schools of Sunni theology (that is, in elaborating on the detailed matters of the Islamic Creed); they deem Sufism to be something that is part of mainstream Islam.  This is what they claim.

At the same time, they INTENTIONALLY confuse Muslims about the matters of apostasy and takfeer (i.e., deeming someone to be a disbeliever).  They write long articles in which they can’t define who is a non-Muslim, or who Muslims believe will attain salvation in the Hereafter.  They INTENTIONALLY use ambiguous statements regarding matters of the Creed KNOWING that the many of the people listening are likely to misconstrue such statements in a manner that would put their Imaan in jeopardy.  At the same time, if one attempts to “call these people out,” they will claim from their statements that they meant an appropriate meaning.  Again, this is just to justify their unctuous agenda.

Regarding the Wahhabis, these quasi-traditionalists will say things, like: “This [the extreme(r) acts of some of the Wahhabis] violates the rules of Islam.”  “These people are radicals who poorly represent Islam.”  They will say about the Saudi-Wahhabi regime that it promotes a “version of Islam” that they don’t agree with.  What these quasi-traditionalists DON’T DO is explain that Wahhabism isn’t merely extreme in its practices, but that the very core belief that the Wahhabis (so-called Salafis) have about the Creator is Islamically blasphemous.  The Wahhabis do not–in reality–worship Allah.

Instead of using their access to the media and the media’s coverage of (so-called) “Salafism” and “Sunni extremists” (and the various articles that the quasi-traditionalists write) as PRIME TEACHING MOMENTS to explain to Muslims and the public in general the difference between the Islamic belief in the Creator and the hideous slanderous corporeal blasphemies that the Wahhabis ascribe to the Creator, these quasi-traditionalists, IF they speak about Wahhabism, will only speak about some of its more extreme elements.

These people (the quasi-traditionalists) are not stupid (as for the Wahhabis, well, that’s another story).  They know that many Western people are turning to atheism in part b/c they’ve never heard of a sensible, rationally consistent belief in God.  As for Muslims, many unlearned Muslims may not like the Wahhabis for their rigidity and abrasive behavior, but they don’t quite know exactly what is the main issue with the Wahhabis.

The main reason why the Sunnis oppose the Wahhabis is because the Wahhabis are a sect of object worshipers who MERELY POSE as Muslims.  The Wahhabis are Mujassimah and Mushabbihah (i.e., those who believe the Creator is a spatial entity and otherwise similar to the creations).  Whereas, the Muslims (Sunni or otherwise) believe that the Creator is ABSOLUTELY Incomparable and Transcendent (i.e., Free-of-Need)—hence, the Creator does not occupy space or have bodily characteristics—the Wahhabis pray to a deformed, bipedal, shadow-casting, unidentified extraterrestrial smiling face object with a shin and pair of right hands.  The Wahhabis worship a figment of their imaginations, while the Muslims worship the CREATOR of the universe Who can’t be fathomed by the imaginations.

By comparing the Muslim belief in the Creator to the Wahhabi (dis)belief, it is a prime opportunity to inform to the non-Muslim public about the intellectually invincible Islamic belief in God.  As was said, many Westerners, in their rejection of the absurdities of Christian dogma, have now blindly embraced absurd atheist dogma.  Many don’t know that one can have a rationally consistent belief in God.  Regarding the Wahhabis, a brief logical refutation of their doctrine would be enough to get (at least some) non-Muslims interested in what Muslims say about the Creator.

The universe is not beginningless and it can’t be “self-created.”  The universe and all its contents must have a Creator.  Allah existed before the creations.  Before there were places–or any dimensions–there was a God.  Hence, Allah exists without being in a place. Contrary to the claims that the atheists make against those who claim that there is a Creator, “God” is not an “imaginary sky-buddy.”  Muslims (unlike Wahhabis and many other corporealists) do not believe that God exists in the sky.  Muslims understand that the sky and space, in general, could not create itself.  They must have a Creator, and the Creator, Who existed before the sky, or before Heaven, or before any other space or direction, exists without being in space or direction.

For many Western non-Muslims, they have never heard: “God exists without a place,” or “The Creator ABSOLUTELY does not need or resemble the creations,” or “Whatever you imagine in your mind, Allah is different from that.”  These statements when briefly explained are intellectually liberating.  They free the mind from the shackles of Creator-denial and creation-worship.

Oddly enough (or perhaps not oddly enough, given the agenda of the quasi-apologists) they put little emphasis on teaching the public about the Sunni Creed (beyond, perhaps the bare basics).  All the while these quasi-traditionalists will go on and on about “feel good” stories, while advising their followers NOT to learn about why Wahhabis, for instance, must be regarded as non-Muslims according to Islam.  Not only that—on the one hand, these quasi-traditionalists will publicly condemn savage acts of Wahhabi terrorism… while at the same time sharing the same stage with the very promoters of Wahhabi theology.  Please be warned of these Hypocrites and warn others of them.  These quasi-traditionalist do not care about the well-being of others.  They only care to gain more influence (and money) by their manipulation and sophistry.

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Quotation #70 Of `Aqeeq

Of `Aqeeq Quotation #79

Wearing `aqeeq in a ring drives away worries and heart palpitations.  `Aqeeq strengthens the heart especially in confrontations.  Habitually wearing `aqeeq prevents extreme poverty by the will of Allah.  Also, the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) wore a silver ring that had an `aqeeq stone set in it.

(From the experts of old)

It is also said about `aqeeq that it helps with the blood flow in general and is good for women and their monthly cycle.  `Aqeeq is also said to help improve ones energy level, and it is said that `aqeeq is good for those who engage in public speaking.

Some tumbled `aqeeq stones.

Some tumbled `aqeeq stones.

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Quotation #78 Of Struggle

Quotation #78 Of Struggle

“The redeeming things are not ‘happiness and pleasure’ but the deeper satisfactions that come out of struggle.”

–F.Scott Fitzgerald (from a letter written to his daughter shortly before his passing)

 

struggle

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Quotation #77 Of Maximum Achievement

QUOTATION #77  OF MAXIMUM ACHIEVEMENT

“When you die, die on ‘E.’”

(Eric Thomas)

Commentary: Of course none of us knows how, when, or where we will die.  This is a matter that God has kept hidden from us.  With that said, we should always strive to do our best–to make excellence a habit.  We should strive to do our utmost in what is right and good, and die having done the very best we could with the vast potential that the Creator has given us.  The greatest of human achievements is to attain the station of Wilaayah (i.e., the status of ultra-righteousness and piety in Islam), which is realized by living with pure love (and fear) of the Creator, and this is expressed by sincere submission and obedience to the Sacred Law that the Creator has made mandatory upon us to follow.   The one who sincerely obeys Allah by fulfilling all the obligations and refraining from all the sins (both outwardly and inwardly) will have attained a phenomenal state and will encounter nothing less than human excellence in this life and felicity and bliss in the Hereafter.

QABRIGA

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Quotation #76 Of Ruby

QUOTATION #76 OF RUBY

“Among the benefits of ruby is that it protects from satanic suggestions (waswas), epilepsy, and palpitations.  It strengthens the heart, increases courage, and is good for the blood.  By the will of Allah, it protects from poverty, sweat, and thirst.  It is also good for veneration and reverence (haybah), achieving one’s needs, and bringing joy to the heart.”

–The Masters of Old

Cut and polished rubies

Cut and polished rubies

 

Uncut ruby with zoisite inclusion

Uncut ruby with zoisite

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Quotation #75 Of Indecision

QUOTATION #75 OF INDECISION

“The highway of life is paved with flattened squirrels who failed to make a decision.”(Anonymous?)

 

Gray Squirrel (Sciurus carolinensis)

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Quotation #74 Of Complacency

Quotation #74  Of Complacency

“The comfort zone is the place where dreams go to die.”

 

 

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Quotation #73 Of Focus

QUOTATION #73   OF FOCUS

“The one who chases two rabbits catches neither.”

— (ascribed to Confucius)

Rabbits

 

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A Mix-Up Over Race

A Mix-Up Over Race

Yesterday, I had a long mix-up with a person about some of the things i’ve said about “black people.” It was pleasant, and I think that the criticisms raised were very fair. I asked the person if I could blog a response to the discussion, and they agreed (I didn’t want to seem like I am trying to spitefully vent at them behind their back). The point here is to respond and clarify my thoughts on this issue of race and culture that I have brought up many times on this blog.

Firstly, let it be said that I have made it abundantly clear that my objection is to black CULTURE and not to black biology or physical characteristics. More than once, I’ve been accused of “self-hatred” for the things i’ve said about black CULTURE. I’ve turned this accusation over in my mind, and I have to say that it has no weight. I am African-American or black. I am not ashamed of it, and I don’t (usually) hide it. (I will sometimes not tell a person what my ethnicity is just to see where their head is—not because I am ashamed of who I am. When overseas, black folks will get the: “Where are you from?” series of questions. I’ll answer: “America,” and they’ll say: “Where are your parents from?” and i’ll say “America,” and that will keep going on until I decide to explain to him that the people who are multi-generational Americans are not only the white people.)

I would not hesitate in marrying a woman with a darker complexion than mine (people like what they like, and there is some saying about berries). Nor would I have a problem with marrying a woman with more “African” features than I have. I wouldn’t have a problem having a child darker than me. That doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t marry a woman fairer than me; skin color just isn’t a big concern of mine. Compatibility is important. Color is basically a non-factor.

Secondly, I don’t think of white people as paragons of virtue (and when I use the term “white,” I mean in the American sense). I don’t think anywhere one can find on my blog that I am suggesting that African-American Muslims should take white folks as an example. It should be enough to recognize that white-Western civilization is largely based upon its opposition to Islam. Simply because one is critical of contemporary black culture does not mean that one wants to “be white.”

Thirdly, one will be hard pressed to find that I am advocating an adoption of contemporary Arab (or Indo-Pakistani, or Malaysian, or East African, or West African, or Turkish) culture, either. What I will say is that one has to get traditional knowledge, and that knowledge must have a scholarly pedigree that goes back to the Companions and to the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam). If one wants to seriously learn the Religion, he (or she) can’t escape this fact. With that said—get authentic knowledge from reliable people regardless of their ethnic background. I will also add: there is a need for QUALIFIED, learned African-American Muslims to acquire traditional knowledge and make that knowledge relevant to the time and circumstances of life in contemporary Western society.

What I am suggesting is that African-American Muslims must develop a NEW culture that is not based upon racist Jim Crow notions of identity and race. This means that we have to think objectively and critically about race. We should simply ask ourselves: Who came up with American notions of race and racial categorizations? Did those people innovate these racial categories for the benefit of black people—or did they innovate this system of categorization to control and dominate black people?

Also, we should ask ourselves, why are we clinging on to an identity (racial) that does not serve us to reach our full potential? (For the record, I do understand that if “Cletus, The Cop” pulls me over on a back road in Mississippi, my telling him that American ideas of race are largely a social construct is prolly not going to win me any points with him. I do understand how I am generally perceived by others and what strangers may expect of me because of my racial characteristics—but that doesn’t mean that I allow others to determine how I think of myself or define who I am, in-shaa’ Allah.)

Also for the record, I am not a Cultural Marxists, so I am not saying that there is no such thing as “race”–none of us confuses a Native from the Amazon with a Nordic Native of Sweden. I am saying that “race,” as we understand it in America is largely a social construct, is relatively fluid and it changes (and has changed even within the history of the United States). And there is no reason that Muslims should not challenge American constructions of race (and Muslims, in their diversity, are doing that right now).

Okay, now that the “self-hatred” or “wannabe” accusations have been addressed, why then am I so critical of black CULTURE? This is my view of things—without trying to sound too “conspiratorial”: you have an Elite (wealth and power of the society is concentrated in the hands of a small percentage of the people). The Elite, although they are not necessarily all “united,” wish to keep the masses in check. The masses are controlled and manipulated by a number of ways, but one of them is keeping the people in a degenerate moral state (e.g., via drugs, alcohol, promiscuity, mindless entertainment, ad nauseum). The Elite also use race as a means to divide the people and keep the masses squabbling over matters that in the bigger picture matter little—and certainly don’t matter in the Hereafter.  Muslims SHOULD be able to X-ray this sideshow and offer people an alternative perspective.

In my view, the Elite are using black “culture” to divide and weaken the society. By stirring up racism (and that is not to say there would be no racism if there wasn’t an Elite—it’s just that they exacerbate it and don’t offer the people the true solution to racism), they keep people preoccupied and filled with hate. The other thing is that by way of the popular culture—primarily, in this case, through the music culture—”black culture” is being normalized. The reality of the matter is that what is now “black culture” is not really “black culture” but a socially engineered identity produced by mega-conglomerate corporations. Nonetheless, because many African-Americans refuse to think critically about their condition, they feel compelled to identify with this corporate manufactured culture—in the name of “blackness” or “black solidarity…” because the media tells them to.

The fact of the matter is that black culture has been breached by corporate psy-ops quite a while ago. This is especially obvious with rap music; the corporations have been able to almost completely brainwash a very large segment of the black youth in the past generation or so. Simply look at black culture today and ask yourself, where does it derive its sense of morals and normalcy beyond the pop culture and media? Rap music (meaning, the mainstream rap music) very clearly is little more than publicity for the prison industrial complex. It promotes immoral and criminal behavior, which contributes to social pathology and crime, which leads to the mass incarceration we are witnessing today. No Einstein is required to figure that out.

Now some folks will jump up and say: “Other people [fill in the ethnic group] do it too.” …Ya, but when did two wrongs make a right? Furthermore, when (many) black folks engage in the anti-social behavior they engage in, they do so in the name of being black. They feel that since they are “black,” then they must behave in a certain (often) anti-social manner. If one does not behave in such a manner, the person is not considered “genuinely black” by many of his ethnic brethren. Also, in the case of black culture, it is the people of the lower classes that have now come to define the culture. White folks still call their trash, “trash.” In the case of black culture, it is not the “Cosby kids” who are defining what it means to “be black.” It’s the thugs, convicts, and rappers who represent the “keepin’ it real” black experience.

It has to be asked where does an observant Muslim’s identity and values intersect with what has become the norm in black culture? What does an observant Muslim have in common with folks who drink alcohol, smoke weed, go to clubs, fornicate, gamble, get tattoos, increasingly sympathize with homosexuals? Not only do people engage in such behavior they NORMALIZE it. The observant Muslim also isn’t going to church. An observant Muslim doesn’t listen to radio music—and that alone cuts him off from much of “black culture.” Not only that, it is that very same socially engineered “black culture” that is corrupting many Muslim youth from numerous ethnic groups and nationalities not only here in the West but also in the Muslim world. Also, when we see second (or third) generation African-American Muslim youth who are “caught up,” they aren’t “caught up” imitating the rednecks in the Ozarks. They are caught up having adopted the behavior of non-Muslim black culture of the inner city. Why do they adopt such behavior? Because they feel that this is what it means to “be black.”

Nonetheless, because of Cultural Marxism, we should give all this (meaning, the pathology of black culture) a “pass.” In spite of how evidently self-destructive and toxic “black culture” is, we are not (allegedly) allowed to criticize it, and if you do, you are either a “racist” or an Uncle Ruckus “self-hater.” I don’t buy this for a moment, and God-willing, I am not going to back down on this issue. Also, this thing is bigger than just racism against black people. It’s all tied into Cultural Marxism, which also promotes feminism and the homosexual agenda—which at their core are blasphemous ideologies.

A few other points. Some folks will start to explain WHY the black culture is the way that it is. I have no problem acknowledging the devastating effects that racism has had on black folk. You can find all sorts of black (and non-black) Cultural Marxist writers who talk about it. And for the most part they are right.

If someone wants to kick it on the conspiratorial tip and talk about COINTELPRO, or Global 2000, or Planned Parenthood, or the neo-slavery via privatized prison industrial complex, I don’t dismiss them with skepticism… but what such discussions typically leave out is the matter of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. There are plenty of black nationalist sites that talk about conspiracies against black people—but few that talk about the need for black people to reform their immoral behavior (and, yes, I know, it’s not only black people who behave immorally and are drowning in sin).

Another point about identity: folks need to be more objective, think critically and less emotionally. I have some white ancestry (not proud of it—just saying that it is what it is) and if the hypodescent one-drop rule were reversed, I could probably call myself “white.” However, if someone starts making comments about “po’ white trash,” I don’t feel particularly offended… because I don’t identify with that culture. Likewise, African-American Muslims shouldn’t feel compelled to identify with low end black culture—nor should they feel offended when that culture is criticized. To the contrary, African-American Muslims should be among those challenging the very construction of race in America, for this historical racial taxonomy certainly has NOT served us.

With all that I say about black culture, there is ABSOLUTELY a need to do da`wah in the inner city. However, one of the main impediments to the multi-generational growth of Islam for black Americans has been the inability of the second generation to by and large escape the vortex of inner city (i.e., “black”) culture. Yes, folks in the hood will say their Shahadah, and may become consistent and contributing or even outstanding members of their community, but from what I have seen, this zeal and commitment rarely sticks with their kids. To those who wish to do such work in the inner city, the black youth must be given a greater sense of self and potential beyond living in the hood. This requires that if one wants to fix the situation for such youth that there is a means that they live for extensive amounts of time outside of such an environment, and that they must have a new identity—one based on Islam and piety and not based upon outdated Jim Crow notions of race (which is an identity that is now putty in the hands of the corporate propaganda machine).

Finally, as i’ve said elsewhere, folks need to realize that notions of race are fluid. As America becomes browner, as the Muslim community grows, as you have more and more Muslims growing up in diverse American Muslim communities who do not have the ethnic-cultural hang ups of the folks from the Old Countries, in this era of globalization and easy and relatively cheap travel, with the social media, one will (by the trends) have more and more exogamy (folks marrying outside their race/culture). The children of, for instance, (observant) convert African-American fathers and immigrant (or second generation) Muslims will have new identities that will not fit neatly into the current American racial paradigm. They will, if we prepare them properly, be able to liberate folks from the mental slavery of the American racial identity. They will be a new people, with a new identity, God-willing, based upon obedience to Allah, and that is the true success.

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BROTHER ALI vs. The BLACK APOLOGISTS (w/Dr. Bill Cosby)

I picked this book up the other evening. When i opened it, this was the first passage i encountered:

REPLACE VICTIMHOOD WITH NEIGHBORHOOD

“Too often the word victim comes up in our discussions. We have all driven through lower economic neighborhoods where there are three or four families living in a single family house, and the music loud enough to wake the …. It seems as if folks living there are trying to drown out their own feelings. This culture is sedating [or more accurately, "mind-numbing"]. It encourages people to see themselves as victims, as being incapable of helping themselves, of feeling anything except totally defeated.

“It is typically the overwhelmed single mothers, absent fathers, and black youth who are most inclined to sedate themselves. They sedate themselves with music or ‘waiting for Jesus’ [as the Christians would have it] to help them, or the government or the lottery or some crack, or if nothing else, a bag of burgers. But there are no solutions here, just a wallowing in sedated victimhood. IT’S ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE’S FAULT [my emphasis].”

From:

http://www.amazon.com/Come-On-People…/dp/B001P5GJA4

http://facetofloor.wordpress.com/…/its-the-culture-not…/

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BROTHER ALI vs. THE BLACK APOLOGISTS

BROTHER ALI vs. THE BLACK APOLOGISTS

(I don’t intend for this to be as long as the series about white supremacy, in-shaa’ Allah.)

My initial plan for the first part of the month was to do more informative posts and save the more critical ones for later on.  However, that does not seem how things were meant to be.

There is one FB associate’s page that frequently turns up in my feed.  The person is a self-identified Muslim whose posts often contain a lot of over the top black power bravado.  I got into a back and forth last night with him and some others over the scheduled boxing match between George Zimmerman (GZ) and DMX.  My general take on the GZ-Trayvon Martin (TM) incident is that GZ was/is a jerk; he antagonized TM; TM reacted in a manner not uncommon to his class; and he attacked a man who was armed.  And now TM is dealing with what he took of his creed and deeds to the grave. Admittedly, none of us were there, and how the incident got started is ultimately speculation (although, there is no doubt about what the results are).

With that said, i remember when the incident first happened.  I could see that the media was trying to blow things out of proportion.  I didn’t, however, give it much thought—after all, black thugs kill and get killed all the time.  About two months later, i was at the laundromat, the TV was on (i don’t do the cyclops, except when at hotels and when i go to the laundromat);  one of those morning talk shows was on.  And they were talking about GZ and how there was an inquiry into the shooting, and i think at that point he was being detained, and they were talking about what the guy had for breakfast….

Perhaps because i see TV so infrequently (and, man, does it look fake and artificial–especially, the commercials) that i think i am able to see it pretty objectively.  Anyway, as soon as i saw all this coverage on GZ, it was VERY EVIDENT to me that this was just a corporate psy-op (psychological warfare operation) being run against the American public to (further) split the society along racial lines.

The whole presentation was so out of balance–TM is presented as some 12 year old “child” (with a photo from years earlier) and not some six foot plus thug or wannabe thug (who would later be shown flashing a pistol, smoking weed, and sportin’ a “grill”).  GZ was presented as a “white man…” uh… then later a “white Hispanic…” when, in reality, GZ himself is a black man.  The media obviously wanted to turn this into a black vs. white incident… but they couldn’t, so they had to contrive and slant the news to fit a certain narrative.

To show the distortion, not long after the TM incident just a few miles away from where TM was killed, a 50 year old white man was beaten nearly to death with a hammer by two black teens… one of those teens is from a black supremacist hate group family.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSfOI3c_iSs

Could we imagine what the reaction would have been if two young white males–one of whom his father is the member of the Ku Klux Klan–were to have attacked an “elderly” black man and put him in a coma?  The Cultural Marxist media would have had a FIELD DAY with such an event, and the race pimps would have been rolled into town talking about that there is a “genocide” being committed by white America against black folks.  Chances are many of us never heard about this event with the white man nearly getting killed by young black males… because it does not fit the liberal/Cutural-Marxist narrative.

What’s the Cultural Marxist narrative?  It says that various “oppressed” and minority groups (women are considered to be “minorities” although females are the majority in the society—welcome to the Orwellian Newspeak universe of so-called “Political Correctness”) must NEVER be held accountable for their actions.  The problems of society must be blamed on the white-male-Christian-heterosexual power structure.  (Just for the record, i am not a defender of Christianity, but the Cultural Marxists don’t attack Christianity because of its contradictory doctrines, but because the Cultural Marxists hate religion and morality in general (unless it be some sort of pagan-Wiccan kind of religion.))

Most African-Americans adopt Cultural Marxism (knowingly or unknowingly… most unknowingly) because it makes them feel good about themselves… and it removes from them any sense of personal responsibility.  The African-American community, especially the inner city “community,” is jacked-up not because people made bad choices but because of white racism… so goes the narrative.  And any criticism of black pathology is dismissed as “racism” if it comes from someone non-black and “self-hatred” if it comes from someone who is black.

Now let us put an Islamic perspective on things.  First of all, if we are sane and pubescent (and have heard the basic call to Islam: “Nothing is worthy of worship except Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah”), then we are ACCOUNTABLE.  Whatever voluntary deeds we do we EARN those deeds and will be RESPONSIBLE for those deeds on the Judgment Day.  Secondly, we know that self-rectification begins with REPENTANCE.  It is the recognition that YOU (and I) did wrong–we have disobeyed God and been unjust to ourselves.  We must make the firm intention NEVER to disobey God again, sincerely regret what we have done, and if we have done an injustice to another, then we need to make amends with that person.  NOWHERE does repentance suggest that you blame others for your choosing to disobey the Creator of the Universe.

This is not to say that those who invite others to sin are not more sinful.  Obviously, those who encourage vice and depravity are more blameworthy, for the Prophet informed us: “Whoever invites to sin takes the burden of that sin and all those who follow him in it–without diminishing the sins of those who follow.”  Ultimately, however, we are responsible for ourselves.  And it should be common sense that to blame others for your pathologies means that the person does not believe he has any control over his actions… and hence, is not capable of reforming himself.

Years ago, when i was involved in da`wah in Philadelphia, one of the Brothers said to me: “You can’t expect them [folks who run the "System"] to be just to others when they are unjust to themselves”—that is, they are unjust to themselves for their disregard for the Sacred Law and their objection to the proper belief in the Creator.  That was a minor epiphany for me.  I was still decompressing from the red-black-and-green black nationalist thing, but what he said made perfect sense.  To keep complaining about a System that was DESIGNED to be unjust makes little sense.  It is what it is.  Furthermore, those who designed the System believe it to be in their benefit (at least in a worldly, material manner).  They have little incentive to change.

On the other hand, black folks—who are always complaining about the System and their quality of life—have all the incentive to change their behavior.  It’s not racism that holds black folk back—it’s their BEHAVIOR.  When one looks at the problems of the black underclass (BUC), MANY of the problems can be fixed… instantly and for free.

If you are tired of catching drug possession charges and getting arrested for doing something stupid while under the influence of alcohol or other drugs… then don’t drugs or alcohol–it’s doesn’t cost anything to leave out drugs and alcohol.  Tired of negative black images on TV… then don’t watch TV–it’s free not to watch TV.  If you are tired of negative lyrics in black music… then don’t listen to music–it’s free not to listen to music.  Tired of black male-female drama… then don’t fornicate–it’s free not to fornicate.  Tired of black children growing up in poverty… don’t have out of wedlock kids (which goes back to not fornicating)… it’s free not to have out of wedlock offspring.  We not only know (from experience) that many black folk have NO INTEREST in abandoning their wretched behavior, they would actually get angry at you for suggesting that they stop behaving in a manner that keeps them at the bottom of the social order.

Of course, what my criticism might sound a bit shocking because it runs contrary to the narrative (of Cultural Marxism).  What i am positing assumes that people are responsible for their own choices.  One of the real nasty and blasphemous aspects of Cultural Marxism is that it preaches a doctrine of moral relativism.  It teaches black folk that the lowlife values of prison culture are equal to the values of high functioning educated people… and to suggest otherwise is “racist.”  Muslims, on the other hand, are very clear that not all behaviors are equal and not all cultures are equal.

Muslims are “cultural superiorists.”  The culture of the Islamic scholars and righteous men and women who have had their hearts filled with the love for the Creator and yearning to follow the Prophet (sallallahu `alayhi wasallam), those who have striven to overcome their base material and egotistical desires, is far superior to “hip hop ‘culture,’” or the street corner culture in the hood or the cell block.  There’s no comparison and Muslims should feel no shame in saying so—or having disdain for what the latter groups represent.

Many African-American Muslims are still, sadly, clinging on to a victim identity that is a vestige of plantation slavery and Jim Crow—and reinforced by the Cultural Marxists.  I think that many of us forget that the fundamental distinction between people is not one of race but of belief (or lack thereof).  Yes, as African-Americans Muslims, we do face racism, as the black thugs face racism.  But other than opposition to racism (or at least anti-black racism, for thugs don’t have a problem being racist toward other people) what do observant Muslims share in common with the values of today’s black culture—especially, “hood culture?”  Not only that, how many African-American Muslim youth—and even non-African-American Muslim youth—have fallen a victim to black ghetto hood culture thinking that this is what it means to “be black” or that (because the media says so) it is “hip” or “cool?”

It’s a disservice for African-American Muslims to remain silent about this pathological culture while it devours our youth and the society.  It (meaning, collective black silence) plays into the hands of those who wish to keep fanning the flames of racism and social division.  As Muslims, we should provide people with an alternative and higher sense of self beyond race, while addressing the various social and moral ills that sicken the society.

Instead of seeing ourselves as Muslim benefactors with a vision to guide the society and the Ummah, many of us are focused on “racism,” and as the saying goes, “You get what you focus on.”   Racism is an obstacle to be surmounted–not fixated upon.  Racism is surmounted by BEING CLEARLY SUPERIOR TO EVERYONE ELSE (through learning the Deen and sincere, humble obedience to the Creator).  You don’t defeat racism by begging others not to be racists—especially, when you blame others for your self-destructive behavior.  You concentrate on producing a culture of superior people–superiority based not on color but upon quality of character–that can serve as a role model for the society and the Ummah.  This should be our Islamic legacy for race relations in America.

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Use–Don’t Abuse–Your Mind

USE–DON’T ABUSE–YOUR MIND

“Muslims use their minds to recognize what does (and does not) befit the Creator—while understanding that the Creator can’t be imagined.  On the other hand, some people claim that one cannot use their mind to know what does (and does not) befit the Creator—all the while they (ab)use their minds by believing that the Creator can be imagined (and consequently, make statues and images of the one they believe to be ‘God’).”

–A FEW COMMENTS–

Muslims understand the that mind (the intellect) must be taken into consideration in realizing the Truth about the Creator.  Through the faculty of the intellect, one can know, for instance, that there must be a Creator (for the universe can be neither “self-created” nor beginningless), and that the Creator would be Eternal, Everlasting, Omniscient, beyond need and beyond comparison, and that the Creator has power over all the creations.

Conversely, one can know that it does not befit the Creator.  It is inappropriate for one to believe, that the Creator is originated, or ignorant, weak, dependent, or similar to any of the creations.  The originated, after all, cannot become like the One Who is Beginningless. We know that the Creator existed before the creations.  Before there was space, there was a Creator–hence, the Creator is not a spatial entity.  The Creator is not a material or spiritual being.  The Creator is not a dimensional entity, but rather, the Creator is the Originator of all dimensions and all entities.  The Creator of space (and everything else) exists without a place, whether that “place” be on earth, beyond the earth, or in our minds.  The Creator ABSOLUTELY does not need or resemble the creations.  Whatever we imagine, the Creator is totally different from that.

As for some other people, they believe that the Creator is an object, or an image, or a spirit, or some other sort of spatial entity.  Such a belief is inherently irrational, for the Originator of the Universe existed before the universe without any need for the universe or any of its aspects.  For such people there is no clear distinction between what befits the Creator and what befits the creations.  Hence, they ascribe to the Creator originated attributes (such as, size, motion, direction, and location), and as a result engage in creation-worship instead of Creator-worship.  Because creation-worship is spiritually reprehensible and intellectually indefensible, these people disregard the use of reason… all the while they worship something they imagine.

The True belief in the Creator is between negation (i.e., denying the Creator’s Existence) and comparison (i.e., believing that the Creator is somehow similar to the originated).  The Creator exists and is not similar to anything else.  The Creator is Unique–with no equal and  is beyond all comparison.  This is the Muslim belief in the Lord of Creation, and we invite everyone to embrace it.

For one to become Muslim, they simply say with the desire to embrace Islam:

“I bear witness nothing is worthy of worship except Allah [The Creator], and MuHammad is the Messenger of Allah.”

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY—The Conclusion

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY—The Conclusion

We have reached the conclusion of this series.  We have shared some information about African and world history, and talked extensively about “race;” we have spoken about some of the causes of racism–and the blight that racism has been on humanity.  God-willing, we will now talk about ways to remedy this disease and heal the hearts that have been infected and/or affected by it (God-be-willing).

It was mentioned in the previous post that racism is largely a failure to recognize what is the supreme purpose of our existence.  Human beings are forgetful creatures. Frequently, we forget what this life is all about and place too much emphasis on the transient–the passing.  Whether we be “brown” or “yellow,” “black” or “tan,” “white” or “red,” whether we be from an economically wealthy nation or an impoverished one, whatever language we speak–or if we speak several, whether we are female or male, rich or poor, the people we love–and the ones we despise–all share something in common… we will all certainly die.  That’s not to sound morbid, but to simply bring to mind that our ultimate outcome on this plane of existence is death.  We must not forget this—we have to get our priorities in order.

Racism is one of those things that distract us from realizing our higher potential. As a matter of fact, it was “racism” that was the original cause for the worst degradation, that is, blasphemy. We are informed in the Qur’an that after God created Adam, the Angels and Iblis (the father of the jinn) were commanded to make prostration to Adam (as a sign of respect and not worship). The Angels immediately complied with the Divine Command of the Creator, but Iblis objected. Iblis defied God’s Command and refused to prostrate to Adam, because he felt that he was inherently superior to Adam because of his physical essence (Iblis being created from fire and Adam from soil). It was pride, arrogance, and racism that led to Iblis blaspheming and is the cause for him to be the most accursed of the creatures. It is very often that this racial pride leads to hatred and the commission of human atrocities.

It is this racial pride and racism that Iblis and his demonic minions use to divide people and turn people away from the Path of Islam. The Qur’an informs us, however, that humanity has a single origin:

“O mankind! Allah created you from a single pair of a male and female [Adam and Eve], and made you into nations and tribes, that you may get to know one another. Certainly the most honored of you to Allah is the one who is the most righteous.” (Al-Hujurat, 49:22)

Also, the Qur’an tells us that to marvel at the diversity of the human family—not to hate people because of differences in complexion or their languages:

ArafatAnd among Allah’s Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the variations in your tongues and colors: verily in that are Signs for those who know. (Ar-Rum, 30: 22)

Furthermore, the Prophet Muhammad said:

“Allah judges you not according to your bodies and appearances, but rather according to your hearts and your deeds.”

And conversely, the Prophet Muhammad unequivocally condemned those who engage in`asabiyah”–unjust tribal partisanship. That is, to support someone from one’s tribe (and by extension, nation or race) for no other reason than tribal (or national-racial) affiliation—and with no regard for justice. We all know about the swath of destruction and the deaths of tens of millions of human beings in the past century in the name of “nationalism” and ethnic and racial hatred, so there is no need to further recount the evils of `asabiyah.

Racism assigns value to something that ultimately does not matter. Our purpose in life is not to be a certain color (or race or nationality). We will not be punished in the grave or on the Judgment Day because of our complexion or race. Humans will be judged for their deeds and their creeds.

The ultimate purpose of life is to worship the Creator, and I don’t think anyone who claims to believe in God would say otherwise. The Creator is greater than everything else, and deserves our ultimate devotion and greatest degree of submission. To worship the Creator, one must first believe in the Creator (Allah) properly. The Creator exists (for this universe can be neither self-created nor beginningless). The Creator has no beginning or end. The Creator was before the creations; hence, the Creator does not need the creations. Before there was a Heaven and Earth, before light and darkness, before time and place, distance and direction, God existed. Allah is Perfect and does not develop or change. God exists without being in time, direction, or place. The Creator is not a material or spiritual being. Allah is not an object or an image—Allah is not a spatial entity of any dimension. Whatever one imagines, the Creator is totally different from that.

Allah sent Prophets, the last being Prophet Muhammad, with Sacred Laws to instruct humanity about what is for our benefit in this life—and for our long journey into the Hereafter. Islam invites people to unite on something more substantial than incidental matters of “race,” or skin color, or arbitrary boundaries drawn on maps. Islam invites people to unite on the ultimate purpose of life: to believe in the Creator properly and to worship the Creator and nothing else. By sincerely following the Sacred Laws revealed to Prophet Muhammad, one can be liberated from this American Race-Matrix (and other forms of racism/tribalism) and find solace and genuine peace in one’s identity as a True God-Worshiper, who understands that this life is merely a passageway to other dimensions of existence.

The wise recognize the momentous nature of this life. They strive to use their time well. They examine themselves and scrutinize their motivations. They work to rid themselves of character defects and make their hearts pure and sincere. The wise purge themselves of arrogance–and the affiliated spiritual disease of racism. They seek to obey the Creator without ostentation or pride.

The wise seek their salvation—not through their skin color or race—but through the proper belief in Allah and the Prophets and pure-hearted righteous deeds. And it is righteousness–and righteousness alone–that is the remedy for racism.   May Allah make us among the wise and the righteous and grant us salvation.

Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.

For one to become Muslim, one says:

I bear witness nothing is worthy of worship except Allah and MuHammad is the Messenger of Allah.

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 39

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 39

As a result of the decimation of Native folks in the Americas, the Spanish didn’t have anyone to work the land and extract its valuable resources. This is where the Atlantic slave trade comes into play. (It should be noted, however, that the Atlantic slave trade did not begin with black Africans being brought to the Americas, but with Native Americans being brought to Europe by Columbus.)

As black slavery became more ingrained into the economies and psyches of Europeans, they had to come up with justification for what they were doing to fellow human beings. The Europeans had to whitewash history and deem black people non-participants in world civilization–if not outright subhumans. I will reproduce the quote from Count Volney about why black people were effaced from history of the world by Europeans:

But returning to Egypt, the lesson she teaches history contains many reflections for philosophy. What a subject for meditation, to see the present barbarism and ignorance of the Copts, descendants of the alliance between the profound genius of the Egyptians and the brilliant mind of the Greeks! Just think that this race of black men, TODAY OUR SLAVE AND OUR OBJECT OF SCORN [my emphasis], is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences…. Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of peoples who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery and questioned whether black men have the same kind of intelligence as Whites!”

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THIS is the main reason for the racism that has infected the mindset of the “West” for centuries. This is the source of a vast racist mythology that has engulfed America. And we still see its effects in our society and its foreign policies. The HATRED of others because of relatively minor differences in physical appearance is not something innate in people. We see this with children. It is only after becoming indoctrinated with the racism of their parents or society that a child starts to hate others based upon their “race.” Racism is a disease of the heart, and it can only be treated by a person understanding what is the nature of this world and one’s true purpose is in life.

May God guide us and protect us from all sicknesses of the heart and defects of character.

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 38

Brother Ali ve. White Supremacy part 38

These Conquistadors were sick. It was reported:

“Christopher Columbus himself has been reported to have personally killed 500,000 Natives. In their quest to kill and torture as many people as possible Christopher and Bartholomew Columbus built extremely wide gibbets, hanging victims with feet barely touching the ground amidst fire causing a slow strangling burning death.”

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One of the policies of the Spanish was to have the Arawaks (natives of the islands) to bring them a certain quantity of gold every so often. Hispanola (today’s Haiti and Domincan Republic) didn’t have that much gold–it was tough to find. If the Natives didn’t meet their quota of gold, they had their hands hacked off (and we left to bleed to death). It kinda makes ya wonder where King Leopold got his idea for hacking off body parts of the the native folk of the Congo for not bringing in enough rubber.

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The Belgian Congo revisited. (Allahu ‘Akbar. Indeed, there is a Hellfire for the doers of evil.)

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It’s reported that the Columbus had the Native people hunted for sport. They let loose their dogs upon them, and even sold Native American flesh as food for their canines. As was said, a people are know by their heroes….

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 37

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 37

As we wind down our long journey through a part of human history, it is important to talk a bit about 1492, it’s fallout and the racial predicament the “West” has been in for the past few centuries. In the context of which we speak, the first major event in 1492 is not in the fall of the year. It happens in early January–with the fall of Grenada, the last Muslim stronghold in Western Europe. (Now, of course, on the east end of the subcontinent, the Ottoman Turks were spreading Islam deeper and deeper into Europe.)

Initially, according to the historical records, Muslims were promised freedom to practice their religion after the fall of their government. Within a few years, however, that promise was violated by the Catholics, and there were mass expulsions of Moors from Spain. Other Muslims, weak in faith or in love with this ephemeral world, apostated and converted to Christianity. This was the work of the Spanish Inquisition.

It is important to note that the Catholics would naturally feel theologically threatened by the presence of even a minority of observant Muslims. The Catholic Church could only thrive in an environment where its doctrines could not be challenged. It would be enough to juxtapose the Islamic belief in One, Perfect, Eternal, Omniscient Creator, who absolutely does not need or resemble anything–with the convoluted trinitarian doctrine of God (allegedly) incarnating into an infant and later being murdered to forgive people for their sins. And it is rare that one finds Muslims becoming Christians because of theological reasons–they may do so for various worldly benefits or fear of persecution, but rarely does one find Muslims embracing Christianity because of a rejection of Islamic monotheism for Christian trinitarianism.

With the fall of Muslim Spain, the Spanish monarchy, with the plunder from the Muslims, could now afford to finance Columbus’s fleet across the Atlantic. Columbus writes to the Spanish sovereignty:

“Whereas, Most Christian, High, Excellent, and Powerful Princes, King and Queen of Spain and of the Islands of the Sea, our Sovereigns, this present year 1492, after your Highnesses had terminated the war with the Moors reigning in Europe, the same having been brought to an end in the great city of Granada, where on the second day of January, this present year, I saw the royal banners of your Highnesses planted by force of arms upon the towers of the Alhambra, which is the fortress of that city, and saw the Moorish king come out at the gate of the city and kiss the hands of your Highnesses, and of the Prince my Sovereign; and in the present month, in consequence of the information which I had given your Highnesses respecting the countries of India and of a Prince, called Great Can, which in our language signifies King of Kings, how, at many times he, and his predecessors had sent to Rome soliciting instructors who might teach him our holy faith, and the holy Father had never granted his request, whereby great numbers of people were lost, believing in idolatry and doctrines of perdition. Your Highnesses, as Catholic Christians, and princes who love and promote the holy Christian faith, AND ARE ENEMIES OF THE DOCTRINE OF MAHOMET [my emphasis] and of all idolatry and heresy….”

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/columbus1.asp

The torture techniques of the Spanish Inquisitors and the brutal military campaigns against the Moors of Spain were now unleashed upon the peoples of the Americas, and led to the deaths of millions of people.

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 36

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 36

Okay, let’s summarize, as we come to the close of this series. One, i think it was important to challenge the notion of “race” as it has been promulgated here in the US (and i have tried to stick with US standards–while realizing that they certainly are NOT universal). In doing so, it is a way to break out of the American Race-Matrix. If we can begin to think beyond the American notions of race, we can embrace a greater conception of ourselves… and our human potential (bi’idhnillah). For black folk, this can also help with matters of self-esteem (they can see themselves reflected in the history of the world–and Europe for that matter). For white folks, it might help them rethink ideas of “racial purity,” and make them realize that the history of world does not revolve around the “West.”

On a related point, i hope that we made it clear that Islamic civilization had a PROFOUND influence on the rise of Europe. Some of those who influenced that civilization were indubitably “black.” And also, since, we are talking about societies that did not have strict racial separatist barriers (and that’s not to say that there wasn’t tribalism or “racism”), this means that there was plenty of people with “intermixed” bloodlines in Europe–especially, the lower tier of the European subcontinent.

Also, as we can see with the Moor heads–some of them decapitated Moor heads–the European anti-Muslim bigotry isn’t merely one of difference in doctrine. A considerable part of the anti-Muslim bigotry is driven by racism. That is, Muslims are seen by (many) Europeans not only as the “religious Other,” they are seen as the “racial Other”–even when those Muslims are white. (For instance, one fair blue-eyed convert Sister heard one person say while passing her (to the effect): “I wish those people would go back to their country.”) Racism is a major impediment to many white Americans embracing Islam. However, if we (Muslims) can give them a different concept of race and civilizational influence (and let them know that they may not be as “pure” as they think themselves to be), then this might help some whites rethink who they are and make them more open to listening to the universal message of Islam.

With all of that said, in-shaa’ Allah, we will talk a little about post-Moorish Spain….

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY post 35

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 35

A description of (some of) the Moors, from the famous “Book of Roland:” (This is a description of the Moors battling the French c. 718):

Blacker than ink with large noses and ears” and with “nothing white except the teeth.” (Moriaen. Arthurian Romance No. 4, PP. 29, 39, 41, 103. 1907. Trans. by J. L. Watson). The Chanson of Roland states that the Moorish army was 50,000 strong and led by Marganice, Emperor of Ethiopia and Carthage. Their most valiant figure is Abisme (that is, Abyssinian), who (verse 126) is described as “black as melted pitch.” In this epic, the Moors are called Sarrazins, in English, Saracens.

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From a much later date (1300′s), a depiction of the Moors in GERMANY(!):

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 34

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 34

Among the most ominous coat of arms regarding the Moors:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Escudo_de_Alcanadre-La_Rioja.svg

This one also ain’t too favorable (from the crest of the Maclellan Clan):

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 33

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 33 (he got his count back)

Images of the Moors in European heraldry. This is from the Hotchstift-Freising (Germany).

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A British family:

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The Hasbrouck coat of arms, it says:

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The flag of Sardina is the following (the quarter Moors):

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From a French coat of arms: Jean-Nicolas-Louis ABBE (1764-1834),brigadier general, baron of the empire by letters patent of October 30th, 1810. Regulation of coats of arms :

Quarterly : 1st, Or, a Moor head Sable, wreathed Argent ; 2nd, Gules, mark of the military Barons ; 3rd, Gules to the castle flanched of two towers Argent ; 4th, Or, a salient unicorn Sable ; and for liveries : colors of the shield.

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Westmoreland coat of arms:

http://www.heraldry.ws/html/moore-westmoreland-england.html

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY (part so many he lost count)

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY (part so many he lost count)

Regarding the MOORS

The term in European parlance has several different meanings. One of the problems with this term is that the Eurocentrists feel the need to adamantly deny any black presence in Europe (prior to the era of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade). When presented with pictures (from the Middle Ages by their own painters), they assume that those blacks had to have been slaves (for they can’t conceive black people being otherwise)… or perhaps the the artists ran out of white (or tan paint) and was forced to paint the people black (or that painting certain figures “black” was merely “symbolic”). Again, when a person’s brain is infected by racism, they have to come up with all sorts of far-fetched reasons to deny the evident. So much for Occam’s Razor and intellectual honesty.

On the other hand, you have the Black Nationalists, and they have their own race (and often racist) driven agenda. They wish to assert that ALL the Moors were black (as in dark black Bantu-looking folk). I am not saying that. I am saying that the people of Muslim Spain were a mixture of Arabs (as in Arabs whose decent goes back to the Arabian Peninsula), “Berbers,” “black” Africans, and of course, the native Europeans of Iberia (Portugal and Spain)—also, there were lots of peoples from elsewhere who went to Spain for its culture, trade, and scholarship in the various worldly and Islamic sciences.

At times, “black” Africans played a very substantial role in Moorish Spain. And has been my point throughout, there was no racial apartheid system; hence, people of various colors mixed (much like the people did in places, like Cuba, Brazil, the Dominican Republic, and Puerto Rico–even if under different circumstances.) Also, let me add, i am NOT claiming that those people back then had the same Eurocentric notions of race that contaminate most of our minds here in the US today. Nonetheless, mixed race folks, especially those with “black” blood in them, are not considered “white” in America. My intent here is to show that the Eurocentricity is racist and can’t consistently apply its “race” labels.

Regarding the term “Moor” it was DEFINITELY used in European history to refer to “black” Africans. There was a person called St. Maurice. i.e., “Moor” (said to be born circa 250 CE) who was born in Thebes, Egypt. He was a Christian soldier in the (still pagan) Roman army, as they have it, and was eventually “martyred” in Germany for his refusal to harass fellow Christians (as per the order of the Roman emperor of the time). He is clearly portrayed as a (real) black Africa in Christian paintings and statuary (perhaps, to the chagrin of Harry Breasted).

I’m not an academic, and i don’t want to venture into the realm of too much speculation (although, it’s good to encourage some investigation into these areas for those who may be so inclined), but there seems to be a connection between moor–>heath–>”heathen”–given that moor and heath (boggy, uncultivated land) have pretty much the same meaning (and in this case, from an English point of view, “heathen” meant non-Christian (including, Muslim—although it is clear that Muslims worship the Creator of the Universe and not nature or pagan “deities”)). In the British Isles, the last people to be Christianized typically were those who lived out on the moors (or heaths). It is reported, by the likes of David Macritchie that there were ancient (pre-Christian era) populations of black people living on moors (or heaths) of the UK. It COULD be the case that some British families have the name “Moor” (and its various derivatives: Morris, Morrison, Moore, etc.) because of some relation to those people.

The other reason for the term “Moor” (in European family names) is the relation these people had either because of military engagements with the Muslim Moors in Europe (and elsewhere) or perhaps even some racial admixture with those eventually vanquished people. Of at least the former there can be no doubt. And there is no doubt in the minds of the Europeans, many of the Moors were black Africans. This is perhaps no better demonstrated than on some European flags and heraldry, as we shall, God-willing, soon see.

A statue of the one called "St. Maurice" (Maurice = Moor) in Germany (c. 1200's).

A statue of the one called “St. Maurice” (Maurice = Moor) in Germany (c. 1200′s).

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 31

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 31

The following are quotes taken from a link provided below. It is a collection of statements from predominantly old school Orientalist on the civilization of Islam and the intellectual, cultural, and economic impact that it had upon Europe. I cannot vouch for all the quotes, but i have seen some of these quotes in the books mentioned (and this type of information can be found if one knows where to look).

STANLEY LANE-POOLE’s very well-known, “The Moors in Spain” says:

“For nearly eight centuries, under the Mohamedan rule, Spain set all Europe a shining example of a civilized and enlightened state. Her fertile provinces rendered doubly prolific, by the industrious engineering skill of the conquerors bore fruit a hundredfold, cities innumerable sprang up in the rich valleys in the Guadalquivir and the Guadiana whose names, and names only commemorate the vanished glories of their past.

“…To Cordoba belong all the beauty and ornaments that delight the eye or dazzle the sight. Her long line of Sultans form her crown of glory; her necklace is strung with the pearls which her poets have gathered from the ocean of language; her dress is of the banners of learning, well-knit together by her men of science; and the masters of every art and industry are the hem of her garments.

“Art, literature and science prospered as they then prospered nowhere else in Europe…

“Mathematics, astronomy, botany, history, philosophy and jurisprudence were to be mastered in Spain, and Spain alone. Whatever makes a kingdom great and prosperous, whatever tends to refinement and civilization, was found in Muslim Spain…

“With Granada fell all Spain’s greatness. For a brief while, indeed, the reflection of the Moorish splendour cast a borrowed light upon the history of the land which it had once warmed with its sunny radiance. The great epoch of Isabella, Charles V and Philip II, of Columbus, Cortes and Pizarro, shed a last halo about the dying monuments of a mighty state. When followed the abomination of dissolution, the rule of inquisition and the blackness of darkness in which Spain has been plunged ever since.

“In the land where science was once supreme, the Spanish doctors became noted for nothing but their ignorance and incapacity. The arts of Toledo and Almeria faded into insignificance.

“The land deprived of skillful irrigation of the Moors, grew improvished and neglected, the richest and most fertile valleys languished and were deserted, and most of the populous cities which had filled every district in Andalusia, fell into ruinous decay; and beggars, friars, and bandits took the place of scholars, merchants and knights. So low fell Spain when she had driven away the Moors. Such is the melancholy contrast offered by her history.”

Images from the Alhambra Palace:

AlhambraFrom the interior:

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Its famous fountain:

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Maa-shaa‘ Allah, it is critical that we preserve our heritage and see to it (God-willing) that we transmit it to the generations that follow.

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 30

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 30

This article is short and simple and discusses the influence of Islamic civilization upon the “West.” (Keep in mind Spain is in the “west” and is part of Europe.)

At the end of the article the author takes the pretty standard secular swipe at “organized religions” (that’s not to say that there aren’t people who self-identify as Muslims who are guilty of some of the things he describes).

http://www.scienceandyou.org/articles/ess_06.shtml

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 29

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 29

Maa-shaa’ Allah, that was fascinating. A five minute trailer on the influence of the Muslims in Sicily.   It was said:

http://vimeo.com/45497751

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 28 (A Note on “Europe”)

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 28

A Note on “Europe”

One of the slick moves of the white supremacists is their coming up with the idea that Europe is a “continent.” And they use that to imply, that Europe is where the “real” white people live, North Africa is where the kinda brown-skinned white people live, Subsaharan Africa is where the (non-contributin’ to civilization) Negroes live, and then there are the Saracens Turks in Western “Asia” and the Asiatic hordes beyond that.

As a result of this, many people pretty much assume that there could not have been any significant black African presence (ever) in Europe–a few slaves here and there perhaps, but certainly it could not have been the case that blacks could have been in Europe as conquerors. Again, the fact of the matter is that folks have been getting around (and intermingling blood) for a LOOOOONG time. For instance, the Huns came out of Asia; they had an “Asiatic” (“Mongoloid”) appearance. Nothing prevented them from traveling into Central Europe (or raiding much of Europe) or putting their capital in Europe (or mixing with the local European population).

Likewise, the Mongols, whose origins are waaaaaaay out east in Asia. Nothing prevented them (meaning, no mindset that said that “Europe” is the exclusive province of “the white guys”) from conquering parts of Europe and penetrating deep into (European) Russia. Later the Turks would settle in Asia Minor (current day Turkey)–but their origin is also out east (where the people look “Asiatic”). These different Asiatic groups came into Europe and mixed with the local population–this alone should destroy the notion that Europeans are a “pure” (white) race.

Similarly, as we shall see (God-willing), people from the south of Europe entered the “Continent” and mixed with local populations. Muslims saw Europe as no different from any place else. After all, the distance that separates Europe and Africa is a mere seven miles. The Muslims dominated much of the Mediterranean Basin for centuries. They traveled from North Africa and the Levant (roughly, today’s Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine) to “Europe” easier than they did from Mogadishu to Malacca.

It’s because of the indoctrination into a Eurocentric world view that make (many of) us think that it is far-fetched to think that the tans, browns, and blacks of Africa could have ever ventured into the “white homeland.” In truth the idea of “Europe” was tied into Western Christiandom’s Crusader mentality and its desire to unite the various Christian states in its opposition to Islam. This historical opposition to Islam is a major part of the European identity–and has a lot to do with driving the mentality of white racism, as we shall see, God be willing.

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 27

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 27

“They [the author says "Arabs," but the Arabs are not a single "race" of people as we think of "race" in the West] ruled Sicily for two centuries and a few decades but their influence was nothing short of monumental. Under their administration, the island’s population doubled as dozens of towns were founded and cities repopulated. The Arabs changed Sicilian agriculture and cuisine. Their scientific and engineering achievements were remarkable. More significantly, they changed society itself. To this day, many Sicilian social attitudes reflect the profound influence – often in subtle ways – of the Arabs who ruled a thousand years ago but who (with the Greeks and others) are the ancestors of today’s Sicilians.”

From:

http://www.bestofsicily.com/mag/art168.htm

It is important to note that the so-called “Fatimid” Dynasty was a Shi`ah extremist sect that claimed the Creator of the Universe was a human being. Muslims, of course, believe that the Creator absolutely does not need or resemble the creations. The Creator is not an object or image or spirit or any other sort of dimensional entity.

Also, one should not use the abbreviation “A period D.” We do not believe that Jesus is our “Lord” or Creator.

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 26

Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 26

Although the Moors entered Iberia (Portugal and Spain first), i will first talk about the Muslims in Sicily. This is for my Eye-Talian peeps out there!

Again, Sam said that the Muslims had a negligible influence on Europe and its Renaissance. Another ploy of white racists is to keep moving the goal posts. They’ll say that there were no “blacks” in Egypt, and then when you present evidence on top of evidence, then they’ll say that they must have been slaves, or that it wasn’t the blacks who contributed. When I went into the issue of the influence of the Moors upon the “West” and presented the evidence, i was accused of flinging fecal matter hoping that some of it would stick. So first they claim there is no evidence… and then they claim that you are presenting too much evidence. That’s right folks… that’s a person’s brain on racism.

From Wiki (not saying that it is a reliable source… but no one doubts the Muslim conquest of Sicily–and i have a translation of Ibn Jubayr’s book):

“The new Muslim rulers initiated land reforms which in turn, increased productivity and encouraged the growth of smallholdings, a dent to the dominance of the landed estates. The Arabs further improved irrigation systems, and items such as oranges, lemons, pistachio and sugarcane were introduced to Sicily. A description of Palermo was given by Ibn Hawqal, a Baghdad merchant who visited Sicily in 950. A walled suburb called the Kasr (the palace) is the center of Palermo until today, with the great Friday mosque on the site of the later Roman cathedral. The suburb of Al-Khalisa (Kalsa) contained the Sultan’s palace, baths, a mosque, government offices, and a private prison. Ibn Hawqual reckoned 7,000 individual butchers trading in 150 shops. By 1050, Palermo had a population of 350,000, making it one of the largest cities in Europe, second only to Islamic Spain’s capital Cordova, which had a population of 450,000. In contrast, under the succeeding Christian Kingdom of Sicily, Palermo’s population had dropped to 150,000, though it became the largest city in Europe due to the larger decline in Cordova’s population; by 1330, Palermo’s population had declined to 51,000.[5]

“Arab traveler, geographer, and poet Ibn Jubair visited the area in the end of the 12th century and described Al-Kasr and Al-Khalisa (Kalsa):

“The capital is endowed with two gifts, splendor and wealth. It contains all the real and imagined beauty that anyone could wish. Splendor and grace adorn the piazzas and the countryside; the streets and highways are wide, and the eye is dazzled by the beauty of its situation. It is a city full of marvels, with buildings similar to those of Cordoba [sic], built of limestone. A permanent stream of water from four springs runs through the city. There are so many mosques that they are impossible to count. Most of them also serve as schools. The eye is dazzled by all this splendor.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Sicily

(Repeat: not saying that Wiki is a reliable source, but it is WIDELY ACKNOWLEDGED by fair-minded historians that the Muslims had a significant impact on Sicilian culture that remained loooooong after they were defeated.)

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 25

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 25

MOOR AND MOOR AND MOOR ON THE MOORS

I want to respond to the claim of Sam that the Moorish (read: Muslim, for the most part) influence on European society was nominal. Also want to say (again) that I am not claiming that all the Moors were “black.” MANY of the people of North Africa clearly have a “touch of the tar brush,” but there are also ethnic groups, like the Kabyle “Berbers” (some people take umbrage to the term “Berber”–my intent is not to offend) who have phenomenally European features. Nonetheless, all in all, people mixed. The Moorish empires of Spain at various times extended down into regions of Africa where the people are indubitably “black.” …And again, mixed-blooded people, especially those mixed with black African blood, aren’t considered “white” in America.

Again, one of the sleights of hand that the white racist thinkers like to pull is the concept of “Subsaharan Africa” (think: Henry Breasted). Subsaharan Africa is where the “black people” (without civilization) live… according to their claims. North Africa is where the (honorary) white people live. As my position has been throughout, PEOPLE GOT AROUND. In Africa nothing prevented lighter skinned people from having children with darker skinned people. The idea of “Subsaharan Africa” is another one of those racist ploys to deprive (black) Africans of any role world history.

If the Sahara was this impediment to black people reaching North Africa, then how did this man (and his 60,000 person entourage) perform Hajj in the 1300′s? (And one should keep in mind that when Mansa Musa made his Pilgrimage, a considerable part of Spain was still under Muslim control.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musa_I_of_Mali

Just a few minutes ago, I went to open the door for one of the West African families that attends our Center. It struck me that they (meaning, their tribe) are connected to the Muslims of Spain (directly or indirectly), and that I am probably connected to them—meaning, that there is a good chance that part of my genetic heritage goes back to the land Mali and the Senegambia (Come to think about it, where the heck do I come from? Might not be a bad idea to do one of those DNA test… never thought about it before. I imagine it will yield some interesting results, maa-shaa’ Allah.)

Okay, over the next few posts, God-willing, I will produce (more) quotes and links about the influence of Islamic civilization on the West. It’s good to know the depth of this influence. It helps to shift one’s view of the world. After that, I will talk some about the “Moors” and the presence of black folk up in Europe before and after the “Middle Ages.”

As one can see, a good number of the Moroccans have “a touch of the tar brush” on them:

Ali Gill's photo.

Ali Gill's photo.

And none of that should be surprising, since one of the major Berber tribes, the Tuareg, look like this:

Ali Gill's photo.

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 24

Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 24

Count Volney, a French intellectual and one of the first of the French to study the ruins in Egypt, pretty much sums up WHY the Europeans felt a need to white wash history. The guy is writing 200 years ago (so he’s not some sort of multicultural historical revisionist). He says:

“But returning to Egypt, the lesson she teaches history contains many reflections for philosophy. What a subject for meditation, to see the present barbarism and ignorance of the Copts, descendants of the alliance between the profound genius of the Egyptians and the brilliant mind of the Greeks! Just think that this race of black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences…. Just imagine, finally, that it is in the midst of peoples who call themselves the greatest friends of liberty and humanity that one has approved the most barbarous slavery and questioned whether black men have the same kind of intelligence as Whites!

Volney also says:

“… all [the Egyptians] have a bloated face, puffed up eyes, flat nose, thick lips; in a word, the true face of the mulatto. I was tempted to attribute it to the climate, but when I visited the Sphinx, its appearance gave me the key to the riddle. On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: “As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair. …”

 

 

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BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 23

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 23 (A little backtracking on Egypt)

Henry Breasted had a map, in his book, Ancient Times, in which he speaks about what he calls the “Northwest Quadrant” and the domain of the “Great White Race.” To the south of the “Great White Race” are the “Negroes” and he expresses his sentiments about them. Breasted was the founder of the Oriental Institute (and by “oriental” everything “east of the West” was intended–and not merely the “Far East”). His focus was on Egyptology.

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It is clear that the people who were writing history were not only deeeeeeeeeeply racist, they were also friggin’ delusional racists, as the images below shall show, God-willing.

Harry had some mental problems… he lived waaaaaaaaaaay up in Duh-Nile… not down in Egypt, but up in his head.  The southern boundary of the “Great White Race,” according to him is the 20th parallel. The 20th parallel is at the Sudanese-Egyptian border…. The city of Thebes (where Luxor is today) and the Valley of the Kings—two of the most important places in Ancient Egypt–are located four hundred miles north of the Sudanese border. The people there look like this:

Ali Gill's photo.

…And this (these guys look like some of the Hararis (Ethiopians) i know):

Ali Gill's photo.

“Harry, whar duh white peoples iz?”

Ali Gill's photo.

Maa-shaa’ Allah, i joked in the thread that there are some people like to alter their brain chemistry by doing drugs, but by doing racism, it might even mess your wig up more seriously. Indeed. You have a bunch of sick delusional arrogant people who feel obsessed with labeling people by “races” and then turn around and feel neurotically compelled to imagine themselves (or their ancestors) to be in places they weren’t (or weren’t in any significant numbers). As a result, folks who look like those in the pic below are considered members of the “Great White Race…” while the “Negroes” (who still live in those places and have been there since before recorded history) “have remained without any influence on ancient civilization.” Ya, Henry was race-head, who just couldn’t put the white pipe (dream) down.

More little ones from Luxor (the area of the Valley of the Kings):

Ali Gill's photo.

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BROTHER AL vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 22

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 22

I wanted to address Sam’s claim that the Muslim/Moorish influence on Europe was nominal. God-willing, i will post some links from (mostly) Orientalist sources (hence, no one can accuse me of cherry-picking from the Multi-culturalists). The influence of Islamic civilization upon the West is deep and profound. There is no Western civilization without the influence of the Muslims.

As for the use of the terms “Moors,” no i am NOT from (or of the mindset of) the Moorish Science Temple folk. I don’t think that all of the Moors in Spain were dark skinned Africans. I’m confident that many if not most were not. But there was DEFINITELY a black component, and at times a substantial one (like, during the era of the Almoravids). Also, in the psyche of the Europeans (meaning, Christian Europeans–the Moors, after all, were “European”), they considered many of the Moors to be “black.” The most famous in European literature being “Othello.” In America prominent actors (uh, i mean white actors) dressed in black face to play the Othello role (after all it was illegal in some places for a black man to have close relations with a white woman–and at least taboo in most other places).

othello rPaul Robeson’s playing opposite of a white Ophelia caused a big stir in England:

Ali Gill's photo.
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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy post 20

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY post 20

One of the things that Sam tries do is flip the script with who’s “white,” and start calling them “Caucasians.” This is done so that these guys can conveniently claim the Indian subcontinent as “their own.” Also, he’s going to have a hard time calling the “mulatto” Egyptians “white,” so he needs to call them “dark skinned Caucasians” [with moderate Negroid features]. I am of the mindset of DuBois:

“We may give up entirely, if we wish, the attempt to delimit races. But we cannot if we are sane, divide the world into white, yellows, and blacks, and then call blacks whites.”

However, IF we are going to play this race game, then let’s be consistent, and not turn it into a shell game, where a person is considered “white” (or “Caucasian”) in one place, and his “twin brother” becomes “black” in another place.

Since we are using American standards of race (something that the Sam character never questioned), then let’s use the “Back of the Bus Litmus Test,” that is, would the following people people be on the front or back of the bus in Birmingham, Alabama circa 1950….

It’s 1950, down in Birmingham. After this guy pays the fare, where is he sitting?

sai babaFront or back of the bus?

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What about her?  She prolly ain’t attending the white school, either.

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White water fountain or the “colored” water fountain?

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This one’s a no-brainer, ain’t it?

yanadiNonetheless, these are all people from India (random images from South India), and according to the race classification folks, all these people are suppose to be “Caucasians.”

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 20

Sam,
I ain’t a black supremacist, either. I am not better (or worse) than anyone because of my complexion. I just want to set the record straight.

On Columbus

It’s called the WHITE MAN’S BURDEN–not one man’s burden to help out another. It’s called the WHITE man’s burden. How long do you think it will take for me to come up with a whole slew of racist comments by your “heroes?” Race/racism was a very significant factor in the whole colonization thing.

I already said that brown/black folks had already been to the Americas. YOUR OWN explorers reports seeing Africans in the Americas in the early 1500′s. What do i say to that? Interesting part of history. I’d like to investigate more into it–and i’d say that we may have to reinvestigate what we call “history.” As far as what Colon (Columbus) and the Conquistadors was certainly BAD in the eyes of the millions they annihilated.

What does Columbus coming to America mean for black people in general? A massive trans-Atlantic slave trade and the death of millions of people (in the name of white supremacy). For me, and a good part of my ancestry, that is just something that i can’t see celebrating. Nonetheless, i do understand that the “discovery” of the Americas, pillaging of native people’s lands and resources, and selling millions of Africans was a boon to the EUROPEAN economies.

Historical Realities

Sam, are we going to be consistent here or what? One drop of black blood makes one black–that’s your rule, not mine. I have shown you plenty of images of what one would have called “back of the busers.” The pictures were pretty random. I simply invite you to type in Egypt + People under google images.

The population over the past 2,000 years has not gotten darker; Sam, it’s gotten lighter. The Cushite invasion was when? Five hundreds years before the time of Alexander? As a result of that invasion 2,800 years ago, the Egyptians became “black?!?” But the occupation of Egypt by numerous fairer skinned people for 2,300 years has not lightened the complexion of the people?!? As far as Egypt getting darker because of modern transportation and easier access, that applies to ALL PEOPLES from all across the Mediterranean and Arab world!

The Sadat case doesn’t work for you. If a guy in Egypt is part Armenian, Slav, Turk, and Kurd, he’s a “genuine Egyptian,” but if he is part Egyptian and part Sudanese, then, he’s a “quasi-Egyptian.” I knew you were going to bring the Sadat issue up, and that’s why i made this point earlier (twice). This is where you guys get lost in that racist maze. If Sadat is not a “real” Egyptian then let’s discount everyone in the port cities of lower Egypt who is of “mixed ancestry” and see who’s left–and leave out half the population of Cairo, as well. I don’t doubt that there were “Caucasian” people in Egypt from very early time. Those people mixed with the people from other parts of the Nile Valley. So what do you get? Inter-racial (read: non-”white”) people. Also, Egypt is different that other parts of northern Africa in that there is a thing called the Nile running down the middle of it. (Not that the Sahara was a ever a complete barrier between the two worlds.) It ain’t difficult to float a boat down stream to northern Egypt. (And don’t pretend, Stam, that the black folks on the river–who have lived there for thousands of years–could not portage cataracts.)

If you want to equivocate with the Caucasian/white semantics, you know and i know that most American white folks don’t consider a coal black South Indian a “white man” merely because he has an aquiline nose and straight hair. If such a man can be classified as “white,” then i–and 20% of the African-American population–can be considered “white” for their Caucasian heritage. As far as calling the typical Egyptian a “honkey”, black people don’t call Puerto Ricans “honkeys”–and i mean that Egyptians look a whole lot more like Puerto Ricans (or Cubans) than they do the people who are sometimes called “honkeys.” The Egyptians would more than likely be called “Reecans” and sometimes “N!ggas”, but almost never “honkey.”

Dark Ages

Again, thou equivocates. In America, the many of the Berbers would be seen as non-white (whatever you guys would call them–mongrelized/mulatto race) [although there is a tribe of Berbers (the Kabyle) that have VERY European features]. However, if they contribute something to civilization, they become “honorary whites” or “whites of color” (with some negro features).

I already quoted your own white historians on the influence of the Moors. I even quoted those old school orientalists who definitely weren’t doing the PC thing. In spite of all their arrogance and cultural pride, they could not deny the fundamental influence on the Moors/Muslims on Europe. Some of the more fair-minded historians admit that this information has been suppressed out of European pride. I am sure that you won’t accept what i post, but for the benefit of others, i will give you some more quotes and facts on the subject.

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 19 (A Response from Sam)

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 20

Sam’s response (again what is between the =’s are my quotes)

His response:

=Stam, i am not an Afrocentrist, and i don’t mind being critical of Africans or Afrocentricity. I am all with you about black folks doing savage things for all sorts of stupid reasons to each other in Africa (and have for a looooooong time). But for whatever stupid, tribalistic, treacherous, greedy, barbaric reasons they do what they do, they don’t do it in the name of white supremacy.=

Or even black supremacy, and you’d be hard pressed to find anything done in the name of “white supremacy,” either.

=When the white folks went over the earth massacring and annihilating all those “lost people” they “discovered”, they did so in the name of white supremacy. =

And there you go again. It’s those kinds of comments that lead me to call you a racist. a) Columbus did discover the Americas from the rest of the world’s perspective, as you well know, but to say claim he didn’t because there were already people here is both infantile and racist. You’re denigrating him because of his race. If some black guy had landed here and brought knowledge of this world back to the old world, you’d be touting him from the highest mountain. b) What Columbus, the conquistadors, and everyone else who followed did, good or bad, was done out of greed, or opportunity, or science, or benevolence, or any of a number of things, and many probably had very low opinions of those they encountered, but no one ever sailed to the Americas thinking “I’m gonna go over there and shoot me some Injuns in the name of white supremacy.”

=If you guys want to take credit for the accomplishments (that i readily admit are due to “you,”), then–to be fair and ethical–you also have to take responsibility for the utter barbarity “y’all” have comitted systematically on others in the name of white supremacy.=

Read any history book and you’ll find it detailed, and it wasn’t in the name of white supremacy, as much as you need to believe so.

On Historical Realities

=I don’t think you’ve dismissed anything i’ve said, Stam.=
Then you have a reading comprehension problem.

=My thesis is simple: people who would be considered “black” in America populated the Nile Valley region (most/all of it–not just the southern stretches) from very ancient times.=

My thesis is equally simple: people who would be considered “honkeys” if they were walking down any given street in Bedford Stuyvesant populated the Nile Valley region from very ancient times to the present, were not and are not much distinguishable from people to the east or west of them, ether in antiquity or now, and while not fair skinned Swedes were nonetheless Caucasian with SOME black AFrican presence, but not enough to label Egypt a “black” civilization any more than the U.S. could even though there are black people here.

[GOTTA ADD: Okay, if there was SOME black influence, why do MANY of the Egyptians still have "mulatto" features. As for the US having black people here, if there hadn't been a racist apartheid system, there would be very few "white" people in the American Black Belt (Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas Delta, etc.), and the blacks in the North (before the Great Migration) would have been absorbed into the general "white" population).]

=Those “black” people contributed considerably to what we call the Ancient Egyptian civilization.=

Those dark skinned yet still predominantly Caucasian people and the black and mixed people there constituted Ancient Egypt, but the population as a whole was not so black as to be called a “black” civilization.

=Many of those people are still “black” despite–just in the past 2,300 years, extensive racial inter-mixing=

Many of the people in Egypt are NOW black due to a) the Cushite conquest in the 8th century BC and 2700 years of intermingling of southern Egypt’s people and those of Sudan, especially in the modern era when transportation was and is easier than in times past. Sadat’s mother was Sudanese, for one, leaving people like you to use Sadat as an exaple of fhe so-called blackness of the Egyptians.

[THIS COMMENT IS SO ABSURD THAT I NEED TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL INTERJECTION:

MANY of the Egyptians are "mulatto" looking today because of a Cushite invasion 2,700 years ago... but they did not become fairer skinned because of occupation, colonization, etc. by fairer skinned people for 2,300 years?!? Sadat is not a real Egyptian b/c his mother was Sudanese, but a guy in Alexandria with origins from the Levant and Turkey is a "real" Egyptian?!? What's in this guy's heart that he can't say that there were black people in Egypt and they contributed to early civilization?]

=The British era doesn’t count so much, for those guys–as usual set up their little apartheid system and separated themselves from the natives. I gave you plenty of pictures of those “black” people.=

And in general, how many came from southern Egypt near the Sudanese border?

=The other side of my thesis is that when the white folks were wallowing around in the squalor of the west end of the Asian landmass in what you guys call the Dark Ages, the Moors (again, a multi-ethnic–non-”white” group of folks)=

Please try not to be childish. It was called the “Dark Ages” because it was dark compared to the peak of the Roman empire. It was light years ahead of where black West Africans were in terms of civilization at the time. And the Moors were multi-ethnic, yet still mostly Caucasian as they consisted primarily of Arabs and Berbers, with some black presence.

=came and brought civilization to you.=

And this again illustrated your racism. And childishness. Europe was civilized before the Moors set foot in it. The Moors were not generally a black people. Moorish civilization was Islamic and it got no farther into Europe than the Battle of Tours. Christian / Western civilization dominated the continent at the time and to this day. Islamic civilization did not spread outside of the land they occupied, and it ended with Ferdinand and Isabella.

=Their sciences were not merely carbon copies of the Greeks/Romans, but were extensively expanded upon.=

Or at least modestly expanded upon. The people who DID extensively expand upon them were first, the Italians of Florence, then other parts of Italy, then throughout Europe.

=The Egyptians influenced the Grreks,=

Not really. The Greeks were impressed by the Egyptians, but Greek civilization has little if any debt to Egyptian civlization. There are few if any commonalities or relationships. Two entirely different civilizations in just about every conceivable way. About the only thing they had in common was that they were both civilizations. Different language, different writing, different religion, different customs, different lifestyles, different literature, different math, different government, you name it. One would need a microscope to find so much as one point of commonality or similarity.

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 18

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 18

[This is a response to Sam.]

Sam, i am not an Afrocentrist, and i don’t mind being critical of Africans or Afrocentricity. I am all with you about black folks doing savage things for all sorts of stupid reasons to each other in Africa (and have for a looooooong time). But for whatever stupid, tribalistic, treacherous, greedy, barbaric reasons they do what they do, they don’t do it in the name of WHITE SUPREMACY. When the white folks went over the earth massacring and annihilating all those “lost people” they “discovered”, they did so in the name of white supremacy. If you guys want to take credit for the accomplishments (that i readily admit are due to “you,”), then–to be fair and ethical–you also have to take responsibility for the utter barbarity “y’all” have comitted systematically on others in the name of white supremacy.

ON HISTORICAL REALITIES

I don’t think you’ve dismissed anything i’ve said, Stam. My thesis is simple: people who would be considered “black” in America populated the Nile Valley region (most/all of it–not just the southern stretches) from very ancient times. Those “black” people contributed considerably to what we call the Ancient Egyptian civilization. Many of those people are still “black” despite–just in the past 2,300 years, extensive racial inter-mixing with Greeks (of the Ptolemeaic era), Romans, various Meditteranean people during the Christian-Egypt era, the initial Arab invasion, the European Mameluke era, the Ottoman era (which included the people of their domains–the Turks, “later Greeks,” Cypriots, Slavs, Hungarians, Syrians, people from central Asia (like the converted Mongols), and all those various ethnic groups from Eastern Europe that i can’t name off the top of my head, who all came to Egypt (usually Lower–meaning northern Egypt)). The British era doesn’t count so much, for those guys–as usual set up their little apartheid system and separated themselves from the natives. I gave you plenty of pictures of those “black” people.

The other side of my thesis is that when the white folks were wallowing around in the squalor of the west end of the Asian landmass in what you guys call the Dark Ages, the Moors (again, a multi-ethnic–non-”white” group of folks) came and brought civilization to you. Their sciences were not merely carbon copies of the Greeks/Romans, but were extensively expanded upon. The Egyptians influenced the Greeks, the Greeks influenced the Romans, the Romans/Greeks influenced the Moors/Muslims, the Moors influenced the later day “Europeans.” I provided you with plenty of quotes from contemporary mainstream historians (and even old school orientalists–who definitely were not “PC” and trying to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy all over about themselves) on the Moorish influence on Western civilization. The Moorish influence was not peripheral–it was central to the development of what we today call the “West.”

To be honest, i don’t think you’ve discredited anything. As far as me not speaking favorably about “white people,” i am talking about RACIST white people. Now if you feel offended becuase you choose to idnetify with a bunch of racist, then that’s on you. You want to label me a “racist” and some other folks here–you even give label some a 9 on the “racist scale” (a 9 as opposed to a 10 merely because those black people are not actually killing whites). Well, let’s apply that standard to your white “heroes.” Just a few examples off the top of my head: Andrew Jackson: white racist Indian killer. Jeffery Amherst: white racist Indian killer–first guy to intentionally introduce biological warfare to the Americas. Columbus–goes without saying. Lincoln–racist wanted to end slavery to stop all the racial miscegnation on the plantations; wanted to ship the black people out of the country. Jefferson–racist (considered blacks sub-human). We can go on and on. You guys choose to hold these people up as heroes. You choose to build monuments and name towns after these guys. That’s your choice, and it says a lot about you.

Let me let you in on a secret… believe it or not i am, like many “blacks” in America, from back in the day, part white. I’m not ashamed of it–didn’t have anything to do with it. I choose not to identify with your heroes, however. I don’t care what color you are–personally, i think it is a futile system of going around trying to label people into “racial” groups. But i can know something about a person from the people he admires. If you tell a Jew you like Hitler, or a Native American, that Andy Jackson wasn’t really a bad guy afterall–or that the Trail of Tears was really a good opportunity for the Indians to get some exercise and see the country-side, chances are they are not going to take to you very kindly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

I can readily understand why you wouldn’t like a Khalid Muhammad or a Malachi York (neither of whom do i consider heroes). Why can’t you understand why “black/brown” people don’t like your “heroes?” Your heroes killed and tortured my ancestors (of course another part of my ancestry was doing the torture). Why? Because, Stam, they did not have the same skin complexion as you. And Stam, that was their stated reason. Now tell me, what’s moral or ethical about that?

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Brother Ali vs White Supremacy part 17 (Sam’s Response)

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 17

Sam’s response to the above (again, my words are between the =’s). This response really shows the arrogance of the guy.

=To be honest, i am not too optimistic Stam will change (Noxious is gone=

Only if I suffer serious brain damage in an accident or something. I’d have to lose most of my intellect and all of my conscience in order to accept Afrocentrism or other forms of black racism.

=That “white thing” is like rabies–once it gets rooted in a person’s system, it is almost impossible to get it out.=

That “white thing,” as you mislabel it, is simply reason and morality, and it’s not exclusive to white people, but it is anathema to Afrocentrists.

=Nonetheless, i hope for the best, and i don’t think the info will harm him (unless he just out right snaps and decides to go ballistsic, which i don;t think will happen). =

It’s no more traumatizing, and no more realistic, than a bad horror movie, something along the lines of “Scary Movie.”

=Like i said, i believe these kind of threads help make me sharper. These posts help me to organize my thoughts for lecturing and be prepared for a face-to-face debate. As Francis Bacon said: “Conference makes a ready man.”=

I just responded to a post from The Afrocentrist on this. I guess he was quoting you. Prepare all you like, but historical reality remains, whether or not I or anyone else wastes countless hours arguing with you about it.

=I have had to review things that i read back in college in the area of “Afrocentria.” I try to find honest critiques or even scathing racist criticism of those things i read years ago. (The reviews on Amazon i find useful.) I try to examine some of the weaknesses and pitfalls in the arguments of the Afrocentrists (and obviously, the Eurocentrists). I try to keep an open mind. I am interested in Truth.=

As I just said to The Afrocentrist, if truth mattered to you, you wouldn’t be writing most of the things you do.

=Lastly, other than the person i am responding to may benefit. Poetic said she finds it useful.=

No doubt she does. She believes the government was responsible for 9/11, killing Kennedy and MLK, spreading drugs in the black community and is seriously considering the possibility that computer chips are being planted in sneakers to track people. She also believes that there were ancient power grids all over Africa. She’s a racist nut, and she finds your posts useful. That should tell you something.

=That’s appreciated.=

It’s not a compliment. Having someone like that finding your posts useful should be cause for major concern.

= I hope that some people can see that one can respond intelligently to white racism without swinging to the other extreme of becoming a black racist. =

You’re failing. You’re not responding to white racism, except the occasional remark from Novoxus (sp?), and you’re certainly engaging in black racism. Granted, there are worse than you – Poetic, RJoseph, What’sisname00707, etc., but you’re still doing it yourself.

=I went thru a phase for a short time like that (the straw that broke the camel’s back and converted me briefly to black racism back in college was seeing a video about Leopold in the Belgian Congo). I didn’t stay stuck on stupid. One has to admit that the ultimate distinguishing factor between people is one of character.=

And how many times have you made false generalizations about the characters of white people? In every post? Damn near.

=There are rotten people of every race and ethnicity. The potential for the wicked or the great is in all of us. It’s simply about the choices we make.=

And on these last few points you’re correct. Now if you’d just practice what you preach.

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Brother Ali vs. White Racism part 16 (and another side note)

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 17

This was a response to annother person who was following the thread”

“To be honest, i am not too optimistic Sam will change (Noxious is too far gone [Noxious was one of those vicious sort of white racist throwing around epithets). That “white (racist) thing” is like rabies–once it gets rooted in a person’s system, it is almost impossible to get it out. Nonetheless, i hope for the best, and i don’t think the info will harm him (unless Sam just out right snaps and decides to go ballistsic, which i don’t think will happen).

Like i said, i believe these kind of threads help make me sharper. These posts help me to organize my thoughts for lecturing and be prepared for a face-to-face debate. As Francis Bacon said: “Conference makes a ready man.” I have had to review things that i read back in college in the area of “Afrocentria.” I try to find honest critiques or even scathing racist criticism of those things i read years ago. (The reviews on Amazon i find useful.) I try to examine some of the weaknesses and pitfalls in the arguments of the Afrocentrists (and obviously, the Eurocentrists). I try to keep an open mind. I am interested in Truth.

Lastly, other than the person i am responding to may benefit. Poetic said she finds it useful. That’s appreciated. I hope that some people can see that one can respond intelligently to white racism without swinging to the other extreme of becoming a black racist. I went thru a phase for a short time like that (the straw that broke the camel’s back and converted me briefly to black racism back in college was seeing a video about Leopold in the Belgian Congo). I didn’t stay stuck on stupid. One has to admit that the ultimate distinguishing factor between people is one of character. There are rotten people of every race and ethnicity. The potential for the wicked or the great is in all of us. It’s simply about the choices we make.”

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 15

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 15

The conversation got back around to talking about the blight that white supremacy has been on humanity (and again, King Leopold isn’t someone who just happens to be white committing horrific acts, these acts were done in the NAME OF “whiteness”/white supremacy. Links were posted about a little known chapter (at least little known for most folks in America) in African history. The video here is suffice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjwlub8JOG8

Post script:

Maa-shaa’ Allah, i don’t consider myself to be one of those “all emotional” kind of guys, but this is disturbing. “Nsala of Wala in Congo looks at the severed hand and foot of his five-year old daughter, 1904:”

Nsala_of_Wala_in_Congo_looks_at_the_severed_hand_and_foot_of_his_five-year_old_daughter,_1904I don’t consider myself a guy prone to violence, but after that, some people would have to die, and if they “put me down,” so be it.  Subhaanallahi wa-bihamdihi.

(From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State)

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 15

BROTHER ALI vs WHITE SUPREMACY part 15

It is an amazing sleight of hand by white racist to claim that an “Egyptian” living in Alexandria (which should tell us something right there) of Cypriot, Greek, Albanian, Cissarian, Syrian, Turkish and Kurdish ancestry is a “real Egyptian”, while a black looking guy one hundred miles up the Nile whose family, clan, and tribe have been there since beyond recollection is somehow not a “genuine Egyptian.” Clearly this demonstrates that racism is some sort of mental illness–a disease of the mind that refuses to accept reality.

This is your brain:

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This is your brain on racism:

[I'll spare y'all the image of canine fecal matter.]

Just curious, Sam,

You called me a racist. Where have i ever expressed a racist remark or sentiment here? I don’t have any problem at all with “white” people–i have a problem with white RACISM. I even speak out against black racist who claim things like you guys are the product of a genetic engineering experiment 6,675 years ago. I even take flack for that (from black racist). The phrase “white devil” was mentioned in the article on Tasmania wasn’t my own, and what i would mean by such a statement, if i were to ever use it, would be in reference to the savage acts of the white Tasmanian settlers in the name of “whiteness.” Personally, i try to stay away from such phrases, for they can be misconstrued by the black racist and whites.

I also have not said that “black” people are superior to white people. Building some giant structures somewhere 4,000 years ago does not make a person a decent human being–nor does having an air-conditioner or putting a space shuttle into orbit. A person’s character–not color–is what matters.

I will say, however, that “white” people innovated a stooooooopid system that puts them at odds with everyone else in the human family. It’s like this, for example:

1. Black man + Black woman = Black child
2. Black man + White woman = Black child
3. Black woman + White man = Black child
4. The Product of 1-3 + Product of 1-3 = Black child
5. White man + White woman = White child (only one way to do it–given your model)

Now obviously, given your system (not mine), it is obvious that i gotta go if you wish to preserve your “whiteness” and white identity. You understand the implications of this as readily as i do. And your pattern of conduct (meaning, those savages you identify with and defend as heroes) demonstrates that you put theory to practice. In my model, i suggest this:

Human male + Human female = Human child

I am simply trying to show you how to be a real human being and not a mere “white guy”. There is a better way to live, and that, my human brother, is not racist.

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 14

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 14

A little on emigrations to Egypt in the past 2,300 years. Doing this off the top of my head; someone can double check the dates.

Alexander, the Greeks, and the Ptolemies (Cleopatra/”Egyptianized” Greeks)–300 BCE-50 BCE

The Romans (think: Cleopatra/Caesar intrigue)–50 BCE

The Christian era and people from various parts of Christiandom (Meditterean world/Mid East) to settle therein–1-650 CE

The Muslim era–the initial stage of mostly Arab conquest–650 CE

Abbassids/so-called “Fatimid Era
The Muslim era with an influx of people coming into Egypt from all over the world (Egypt as center for learning Al-Azhar University, the oldest universtiy in the world); Egypt as center for trade and Cairo one of the largest cities in the world. Egypt as staging point for those going to Hajj from all points west–720-1255

Mameluke Era
White Muslim slaves imported from eastern Europe governed Egypt. The invasion/occupation of the Frank (mostly French) Crusaders. The fleeing of Levantine Arabs and other ethnic groups from greater Syria from the Crusaders. Also, the movement of “Franco-Arabs” (that is, those of Arab-Crusader descent)–1255-1525

Ottoman Era
People from all over the domains of the Ottomans (Eastern Europe, Hungary, Cyprus, Greece, Arabia, Greater Syria, North Africa, etc.) and from elsewhere in the Muslim world migrate to the cosmopolitan city of Cairo (and elsewhere in Egypt) 1525-1850

Napolean and his troops were there for a minute (c. 1800-1805)

British Era 1850-1950

In spite of all the foreign occupations/invasions of Egypt by people who were for the most part lighter skinned than the natives (but unlike the later European readily inter-married with the native Egyptians) , there are still tens of millions of Egyptians who look like this:

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Honestly, what does that say about the native Egyptians? Egypt didn’t have a racial apartheid set up, so people have been mixing and inter-marrying for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. In spite of that, we still find plenty of very “black looking” people there. Since the black influx over the past thousand years or so has not been nearly so great as compared to all the fairer skinned and white (and sometimes “genuinely white”) people, that tells us that Egypt must have had a lot of “black looking” people there for a veeeeeeeeeeeeery long time. This doesn’t require a Ph. D. to understand.

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 14

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 14

I feel the need to state this again, for the discussion about race and identity tends to be a very touchy subject for some people. I am NOT black supremacist… nor am i some sort of Uncle or `Aam Tom. My point here is that we have had a white Eurocentric worldview foisted (and forced) upon us. It has infected many white folks’ hearts with hubris and prevents them from submitting to the truth not only about the influence of people of color on world civilization, racism is also an impediment for many white people from investigating or accepting Islam.

Conversely, in the case of black folks–and for the record, i am also NOT a Cultural Marxist/black apologist–we (and i’ll use the first person in this case), were told that you have no history, you’ve made no contributions to humanity; you were slaves, and in essence that is all you will ever be. This is OBVIOUSLY going to impact black people’s sense of self-esteem–especially being in a society that was blatantly racist.

As a Muslim, i know that NONE of us will be judged on the Day of Rising for the complexion of our skin. We will be judged for our creed and our deeds (and statements). Nonetheless, it is important to combat racism, and its twisted psychology that warps people’s minds and leads them to committing abominations against each other in the name of “racial supremacy.” May Allah grant us sound reasoning and insight and make us among the obedient and the wise.

“Allah does not judge you according to your outward forms, but according to your hearts.”

(Hadith of the Prophet)

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Brother Ali vs. White Supreamcy part 12 (Another Side Note)

Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 12

Another (self-professed) white guy jumped into the thread. He probably dismissed the idea that Egypt had a black population, and then it seems he made a snide remark about contemporary black culture.

BROTHER ALI SAYS:

You are missing the point here–well, at least my point. All i want to do is set the matter straight: the people of Egypt are a multi-ethnic/racial group of people today and have been for a looooooooooong time. Those “multi-ethnic” folks would have been sitting on the back of the bus here in the US 50 years ago. It simply is inaccurate historically to say that black people were not a significant factor in the development of Egyptian civilization. It is not delusional to say: black folks were in Egypt. To say otherwise is delusional, and it is simply a lie. As DuBois said, we can do away with this racial categorization stuff if we wish, but we cannot keep calling black people “white” (as in the case with Egypt).

If someone were on this board claiming (and insisting) that JFK was actually a from Mongolia, i would probably take the time out to correct him as well. Learning history can be inspiring–that is why they teach it to you guys, and that is why we have to sit thru years and years of indoctrination listening to how much the white race has achieved, while on the other hand, black history begins when we got off the slave ships. Honestly, how much Chinese history/civilization did you learn in high school (maybe a chapter or two)? We are talking about a vast and continuous civilization and culture that has been around for more than 3000 years. Why are we taught so little of it, but so much about the Greeks/Romans/Renaissance/U.S. history? That’s because it is part of the cultural and historical legacy of most of the people in the country–it reinforces a sense of Western (read: “white”) pride.

Personally, i don’t mind learning about the Greeks and Romans or Western history. I have my share of classics (i mean that facetiously–i mean Greco-Roman classics), and i am studying Latin (missed it in high school). We shouldn’t pretend, however, that the West (meaning, white folks) is the only culture on earth that ever did anything.

On the bling-bling tip, i don’t have anything to do with that or ghetto-slum culture. Not my world and not my value system–i don’t do drugs (liquid, solid, or gaseous), rob or murder, fornicate, or listen to rap music. I will agree with you that black people–meaning what has come to represent the predominant culture–need to make a lifestyle change. So your critique of (contemporary) black culture has merit, as does my critique of claiming that the Ancient Egyptians were “white.”

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 11

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY part 11

This was Sam’s response (what’s between the =’s is his quoting me):

=I was in Egypt a few years ago–people thought i was a native Egyptian.=

SAM: Then you are probably very light skinned and have predominantly Caucasian features.

=Do you know what the people look like in Egypt today? Here are some images for you:=

SAM: Are you REALLY this dumb? You’ve posted a whole slew of photographs of NUBIANS. Do you even know where Egypt is?

BROTHER ALI’S RESPONSE

My response: (post 115)
Stam,

I am the complexion of Will Smith, and there is NO WAY ON EARTH i could ever pass as “white.” Why is it that in America you guys will call me n!gger (if you can get away with it), but in Egypt i become an “honorary white?!?” If you read the captions of many of the pictures, they were ALL TAKEN IN EGYPT. I used the word “Nubian” in my search so that i would not have to sort thru dark skinned (black-black) Egyptians from fairer skinned ones–but both are Egyptians, and the darker ones have been there from the ancient days.

I know one person–he is almost coal black (darker than a typical Somali) with a big “fro”–and he is Egyptian! Even i was surprised when i found out he was Egyptian. But that is the fact of the matter [Maa-shaa' Allah, i bumped into him at the "Mecca Market" in Philly during my last trip there--i hadn't seen him in more than a dozen years!].

[This was in response to his claim that the Nubians the real "black Egyptians") only live in the Upper Nile. My response is that black folks can live in the Upper Nile and get around over most of the continent of Africa... but somehow can't make their way DOWN the Nile (the Nile actually flows NORTH)].

What’s wrong in you guys minds. Black–as in “negroes”–make it all the way to the Maldives and mainland India, but somehow they can’t travel a few miles down (not even up) the Nile?!? Nubians have been living in Egypt loooooooooong before many of the fairer skinned folks came, and even after a great deal of racial mixing in Egypt, you still can find plenty of people in Egypt who are undoubtedly “mixed negro.”

Images of some of those very dark skinned white people with moderate Negro features (according to Sam):

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Erin2egypt-kidsTo match feature EGYPT-EDUCATION/These are random pics. Granted there are plenty of fair-skinned Egyptians in some areas (but many of them are relatively recent immgrants), but all in all, much of Egypt today is filled with people who look like what Lenny Kravitz’s and Lisa Bonet’s children look like–or if Barack Obama had a child with Halle Berry. The point i am making is that you have a country where there are still very black Africans with “negroid features.” You have MANY, as they would’ve been called back in the day, “mulatto” people running around. The country has been occupied and invaded by numerous typically fairer skinned people over the past 2,500 years. There wasn’t a racial apartheid system put into place. And yet, the people still look like many African-Americans. It is reasonable to conclude that the Egypt in ancient times had a substantial “real black” population. Anyway, the kids below would not have been called “white” (with the exception of the guy second from the left… but then there’s no tellin’ what his parents look like) here in America circa 1950 (or today, for that matter).

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 10

Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy

The conversation got turned around to the “race” of the Ancient Egyptians. My position (although i didn’t state it at first) is that Egypt has been a melting pot of cultures and colors FOR EONS. However, given that you still have VERY BLACK people living in the southern third of the country, and MANY of the Egyptians (especially those outside of the metropolitan areas) have what they used to call “mulatto” features, in spite of NUMEROUS occupations/invasions by clearly fairer skinned people (Greeks/Romans/Arabs/Turks) indicates that in the ancient past that the Egyptian population was “blacker” then than now. Also, given–to my knowledge–that Egypt did not have a racial apartheid system, then there was nothing preventing people of different colors intermarrying… and such people are not called “white” here in America.

Anyway, i intentionally posted images of Nubians (as being Egyptians). Sam fell for it:

A Nubian-Egyptian wedding

A Nubian-Egyptian wedding

Some more “Brand Nubians:”

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To Sam i say:

“I was in Egypt a few years ago–people thought i was a native Egyptian. Do you know what the people look like in Egypt today?”

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 9

Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 9

[Let me say, that i went hard at this guy like this b/c you have these white guys who like to go around talking about "how we contributed so much to YOU people--how we brought you civilization"---aside from that being arguable, they also brought incredible amounts of carnage upon the earth. Not only that, for there have been plenty of other tyrants and savage peoples on the earth, but these guys did what they did in the NAME OF WHITE SUPREMACY---i am attacking the IDEOLOGY of white supremacy (and not the skin color---just as i attack the IDEOLOGY of this Negro Goon culture and not the color of black folks' skin).]

Columbus and the White Guys Gittin’ Dey “Love” On

This is from the following site discussing the Colon’s crime family’s “discovery” of America.
http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/bulletin.cfm?Issue_ID=1591

(It seems the link is dead, but what is mentioned is widely reported in the books of (somewhat alternative) history–it should be enough just to ponder where ARE the Native folks here in the USA… or what happened to them.  God-willing, we will return to the subject of genocide in the Americas.)

A Spanish missionary, Bartolome de las Casas, described first-hand how the Spaniards terrorized the natives.[4] Las Casas gives numerous eye-witness accounts of repeated mass murder and routine sadistic torture. As Barry Lopez has accurately summarized it, “One day, in front of Las Casas, the Spanish dismembered, beheaded, or raped 3000 people. ‘Such inhumanities and barbarisms were committed in my sight,’ he says, ‘as no age can parallel….’ The Spanish cut off the legs of children who ran from them. They poured people full of boiling soap. They made bets as to who, with one sweep of his sword, could cut a person in half. They loosed dogs that ‘devoured an Indian like a hog, at first sight, in less than a moment.’ They used nursing infants for dog food.”[2,pg.4] This was not occasional violence — it was a systematic, prolonged campaign of brutality and sadism, a policy of torture, mass murder, slavery and forced labor that continued for CENTURIES.

“The destruction of the Indians of the Americas was, far and away, the most massive act of genocide in the history of the world,” writes historian David E. Stannard.[3,pg.x] Eventually more than 100 million natives fell under European rule. Their extermination would follow. As the natives died out, they were replaced by slaves brought from Africa.

To make a long story short, Columbus established a pattern that held for five centuries — a “ruthless, angry search for wealth,” as Barry Lopez describes it. “It set a tone in the Americas. The quest for personal possessions was to be, from the outset, a series of raids, irresponsible and criminal, a spree, in which an end to it — the slaves, the timber, the pearls, the fur, the precious ores, and, later, arable land, coal, oil, and iron ore– was never visible, in which an end to it had no meaning.” Indeed, there WAS no end to it, no limit.

As Hans Koning has observed, “There was no real ending to the conquest of Latin America. It continued in remote forests and on far mountainsides. It is still going on in our day when miners and ranchers invade land belonging to the Amazon Indians and armed thugs occupy Indian villages in the backwoods of Central America.”[6,pg.46] As recently as the 1980s under Presidents Ronald Reagan and George Bush the U.S. government knowingly gave direct aid to genocidal campaigns that killed thousands of Mayan Indian people in Guatemala, El Salvador, and elsewhere.[7] The pattern holds.

Unfortunately, Columbus and the Spaniards were not unique. They conquered Mexico and what is now the Southwestern U.S., with forays into Florida, the Carolinas, even into Virginia. From Virginia northward, the land had been taken by the English who, if anything, had even less tolerance for the indigenous people. As Hans Koning says, “From the beginning, the Spaniards saw the native Americans as natural slaves, beasts of burden, part of the loot. When working them to death was more economical than treating them somewhat humanely, they worked them to death. The English, on the other hand, had no use for the native peoples. They saw them as devil worshippers, savages who were beyond salvation by the church, and exterminating them increasingly became accepted policy.”[6,pg.14]

The British arrived in Jamestown in 1607. By 1610 the intentional extermination of the native population was well along. As David E. Stannard has written, “Hundreds of Indians were killed in skirmish after skirmish. Other hundreds were killed in successful plots of mass poisoning. They were hunted down by dogs, ‘blood-Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives [mastiffs] to seaze them.’ Their canoes and fishing weirs were smashed, their villages and agricultural fields burned to the ground. Indian peace offers were accepted by the English only until their prisoners were returned; then, having lulled the natives into false security, the colonists returned to the attack. It was the colonists’ expressed desire that the Indians be exterminated, rooted ‘out from being longer a people uppon the face of the earth.’ In a single raid the settlers destroyed corn sufficient to feed four thousand people for a year. Starvation and the massacre of non-combatants was becoming the preferred British approach to dealing with the natives.”[3,pg.106]

In Massachusetts, Connecticut, and New Jersey extermination was officially promoted by a “scalp bounty” on dead Indians. “Indeed, in many areas it [murdering Indians] became an outright business,” writes historian Ward Churchill.[5,pg.182]

Indians were defined as subhumans, lower than animals. George Washington compared them to wolves, “beasts of prey” and called for their total destruction.[3,pgs.119-120] Andrew Jackson — whose portrait appears on the U.S. $20 bill today — in 1814 “supervised the mutilation of 800 or more Creek Indian corpses — the bodies of men, women and children that [his troops] had massacred — cutting off their noses to count and preserve a record of the dead, slicing long strips of flesh from their bodies to tan and turn into bridle reins.”[5,pg.186]

The English policy of extermination — another name for genocide — grew more insistent as settlers pushed westward. In 1851 the Governor of California officially called for the extermination of the Indians in his state.[3,pg.144] On March 24, 1863, the ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS in Denver ran an editorial titled, “Exterminate Them.” On April 2, 1863, the SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN advocated “extermination of the Indians.”[5,pg.228] In 1867, General William Tecumseh Sherman said, “We must act with vindictive earnestness against the [Lakotas, known to whites as the Sioux] even to their extermination, men, women and children.”[5,pg.240]

In 1891, Frank L. Baum (gentle author of the WIZARD OF OZ) wrote in the ABERDEEN (KANSAS) SATURDAY PIONEER that the army should “finish the job” by the “total annihilation” of the few remaining Indians. The U.S. did not follow through on Baum’s macabre demand for there really was no need. By then the native population had been reduced to 2.5% of its original numbers and 97.5% of the aboriginal land base had been expropriated and renamed the land of the free and the home of the brave. Hundreds upon hundreds of native tribes with unique languages, learning, customs, and cultures had simply been erased from the face of the earth, most often without even the pretense of justice or law.

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 8

BROTHER ALI vs. WHITE SUPREMACY PART 8

[I don't have the context of this response, but i think i might have said: so-and-so ("black" person) is "white" (or British) by reversing the one drop rule. Also, regarding West Africa, i was speaking about migration patterns (some of the oral traditions of West Africans report their origins as coming from the east... Egypt/Nile Valley is in the eastern part of Africa.]

MLK spoke English–and if not he, a whole lot of black people in America are “Englishmen.” All we need to do is simply reverse the “one drop rule” (that you guys made up). White slave masters (many of whom were British) had children with black African slaves. Those children would be part “African” and part “English.” The problem here is that those white men, as a whole, were dead beat dads who abandoned (or even sold) their own kids. These dead beat white guys disowned anyone–even their own offspring–who was not a “pure white” (irony intended). Nonetheless, that doesn’t stop these so-called “black” children from being Englishmen–or being of English descent.

On the Wolof

There are studies on this topic. The matter is simple: the people of West Africa were not always there. They came from somewhere (just as the folks of central Finland were not always there–they came from somewhere). In many of the West African oral traditions, they report that they came from the east. Some researchers have even linked–believe it or not–Egypt with the rest of Africa. Before the white guys came along and “discovered” everyone, Sam, people were getting around and traveling and intermarrying–without having to ask you guys for permission. The world simply ain’t about you guys. Get over it. Move on and become a real human being.

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 7

[Let me mention something here.  I am not saying that white people or white supremacy is the only group or ideology that has caused human carnage.  As i was reminded of Rwanda, 800,000 people were killed in a matter of weeks.  The difference between what happened in Rwanda--or the genocidal ethno-supremacist policies of the Japanese in the Far East during WW II--is that the world has not lived under a reign of "Hutu Supremacy" (or "Japanese supremacy") for the past 500 years.  Also, in the case of white supremacy, it is the BLATANT HYPOCRISY of an ideology that claims to be "pro-humanity"--but then only applied to fellow whites--which makes it all the more reprehensible.]

(Keep in mind that these are the same white guys who call themselves the great benefactors of humanity.)  [The link seems to be dead.  Here's the Wiki entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_War]

The following is from this site, but it seems that the link is dead: http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/tasmania.html

THE WHITE DISCOVERY OF TASMANIA

PART 2
TASMANIAN DEVILS IN HUMAN FORM

As early as 1804 the British began to slaughter, kidnap and enslave the Black people of Tasmania. The colonial government itself was not even inclined to consider the aboriginal Tasmanians as full human beings, and scholars began to discuss civilization as a unilinear process with White people at the top and Black people at the bottom. To the Europeans of Tasmania the Blacks were an entity fit only to be exploited in the most sadistic of manners–a sadism that staggers the imagination and violates all human morality. As UCLA professor, Jared Diamond, recorded:

“Tactics for hunting down Tasmanians included riding out on horseback to shoot them, setting out steel traps to catch them, and putting out poison flour where they might find and eat it. Sheperds cut off the penis and testicles of aboriginal men, to watch the men run a few yards before dying. At a hill christened Mount Victory, settlers slaughtered 30 Tasmanians and threw their bodies over a cliff. One party of police killed 70 Tasmanians and dashed out the children’s brains.”

Such vile and animalistic behavior on the part of the White settlers of Tasmania was the rule rather than the exception. In spite of their wanton cruelty, however, punishment in Tasmania was exceedingly rare for the Whites, although occasionally Whites were sentenced for crimes against Blacks. For example, there is an account of a man who was flogged for exhibiting the ears and other body parts of a Black boy that he had mutilated alive. We hear of another European punished for cutting off the little finger of an Aborigine and using it as a tobacco stopper. Twenty-five lashes were stipulated for Europeans convicted of tying aboriginal “Tasmanian women to logs and burning them with firebrands, or forcing a woman to wear the head of her freshly murdered husband on a string around her neck.”

Not a single European, however, was ever punished for the murder of Tasmanian Aborigines. Europeans thought nothing of tying Black men to trees and using them for target practice. Black women were kidnapped, chained and exploited as sexual slaves. White convicts regularly hunted Black people for sport, casually shooting, spearing or clubbing the men to death, torturing and raping the women, and roasting Black infants alive. As historian, James Morris, graphically noted:

“We hear of children kidnapped as pets or servants, of a woman chained up like an animal in a sheperd’s hut, of men castrated to keep them off their own women. In one foray seventy aborigines were killed, the men shot, the women and children dragged from crevices in the rocks to have their brains dashed out. A man called Carrotts, desiring a native woman, decapitated her husband, hung his head around her neck and drove her home to his shack.”

PART 3
THE BLACK WAR

“The Black War of Van Diemen’s Land” was the name of the official campaign of terror directed against the Black people of Tasmania. Between 1803 and 1830 the Black aborigines of Tasmania were reduced from an estimated five-thousand people to less than seventy-five. An article published December 1, 1826 in the Tasmanian
Colonial Times declared that:

“We make no pompous display of Philanthropy. The Government must remove the natives–if not, they will be hunted down like wild beasts and destroyed!”
With the declaration of martial law in November 1828, Whites were authorized to kill Blacks on sight. Although the Blacks offered a heroic resistance, the wooden clubs and sharpened sticks of the Aborigines were no match against the firepower, ruthlessness, and savagery exercised by the Europeans against them. In time, a bounty was declared on Blacks, and “Black catching,” as it was called, soon became a big business; five pounds for each adult Aborigine, two pounds for each child. After considering proposals to capture them for sale as slaves, poison or trap them, or hunt them with dogs, the government settled on continued bounties and the use of mounted police.

After the Black War, for political expediency, the status of the Blacks, who were no longer regarded as a physical threat, was reduced to that of a nuisance and a bother, and with loud and pious exclamations that it was for the benefit of the Blacks themselves, the remainder of the Aborigines were rounded up and placed in concentration camps.

In 1830 George Augustus Robinson, a Christian missionary, was hired to round up the remaining Tasmanian Blacks and take them to Flinders Island, thirty miles away. Many of Robinson’s captives died along the way. By 1843 only fifty survived. Jared Diamond recorded that:

“On Flinders Island Robinson was determined to civilize and Christianize the survivors. His settlement–at a windy site with little fresh water–was run like a jail. Children were separated from parents to facilitate the work of civilizing them. The regimental daily schedule included Bible reading, hymn singing, and inspection of beds and dishes for cleanness and neatness. However, the jail diet caused malnutrition, which combined with illness to make the natives die. Few infants survived more than a few weeks. The government reduced expenditures in the hope that the native would die out. By 1869 only Truganini, one other woman, and one man remained alive.”

THE WHITE DISCOVERY OF TASMANIA

This is from the following site: http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/tasmania.html
(Keep in mind that these are the same white guys who call themselves the great benefactors of humanity.)

PART 2
TASMANIAN DEVILS IN HUMAN FORM
As early as 1804 the British began to slaughter, kidnap and enslave the Black people of Tasmania. The colonial government itself was not even inclined to consider the aboriginal Tasmanians as full human beings, and scholars began to discuss civilization as a unilinear process with White people at the top and Black people at the bottom. To the Europeans of Tasmania the Blacks were an entity fit only to be exploited in the most sadistic of manners–a sadism that staggers the imagination and violates all human morality. As UCLA professor, Jared Diamond, recorded:

“Tactics for hunting down Tasmanians included riding out on horseback to shoot them, setting out steel traps to catch them, and putting out poison flour where they might find and eat it. Sheperds cut off the penis and testicles of aboriginal men, to watch the men run a few yards before dying. At a hill christened Mount Victory, settlers slaughtered 30 Tasmanians and threw their bodies over a cliff. One party of police killed 70 Tasmanians and dashed out the children’s brains.”

Such vile and animalistic behavior on the part of the White settlers of Tasmania was the rule rather than the exception. In spite of their wanton cruelty, however, punishment in Tasmania was exceedingly rare for the Whites, although occasionally Whites were sentenced for crimes against Blacks. For example, there is an account of a man who was flogged for exhibiting the ears and other body parts of a Black boy that he had mutilated alive. We hear of another European punished for cutting off the little finger of an Aborigine and using it as a tobacco stopper. Twenty-five lashes were stipulated for Europeans convicted of tying aboriginal “Tasmanian women to logs and burning them with firebrands, or forcing a woman to wear the head of her freshly murdered husband on a string around her neck.”

Not a single European, however, was ever punished for the murder of Tasmanian Aborigines. Europeans thought nothing of tying Black men to trees and using them for target practice. Black women were kidnapped, chained and exploited as sexual slaves. White convicts regularly hunted Black people for sport, casually shooting, spearing or clubbing the men to death, torturing and raping the women, and roasting Black infants alive. As historian, James Morris, graphically noted:

“We hear of children kidnapped as pets or servants, of a woman chained up like an animal in a sheperd’s hut, of men castrated to keep them off their own women. In one foray seventy aborigines were killed, the men shot, the women and children dragged from crevices in the rocks to have their brains dashed out. A man called Carrotts, desiring a native woman, decapitated her husband, hung his head around her neck and drove her home to his shack.”

PART 3
THE BLACK WAR

“The Black War of Van Diemen’s Land” was the name of the official campaign of terror directed against the Black people of Tasmania. Between 1803 and 1830 the Black aborigines of Tasmania were reduced from an estimated five-thousand people to less than seventy-five. An article published December 1, 1826 in the Tasmanian
Colonial Times declared that:

“We make no pompous display of Philanthropy. The Government must remove the natives–if not, they will be hunted down like wild beasts and destroyed!”
With the declaration of martial law in November 1828, Whites were authorized to kill Blacks on sight. Although the Blacks offered a heroic resistance, the wooden clubs and sharpened sticks of the Aborigines were no match against the firepower, ruthlessness, and savagery exercised by the Europeans against them. In time, a bounty was declared on Blacks, and “Black catching,” as it was called, soon became a big business; five pounds for each adult Aborigine, two pounds for each child. After considering proposals to capture them for sale as slaves, poison or trap them, or hunt them with dogs, the government settled on continued bounties and the use of mounted police.

After the Black War, for political expediency, the status of the Blacks, who were no longer regarded as a physical threat, was reduced to that of a nuisance and a bother, and with loud and pious exclamations that it was for the benefit of the Blacks themselves, the remainder of the Aborigines were rounded up and placed in concentration camps.

In 1830 George Augustus Robinson, a Christian missionary, was hired to round up the remaining Tasmanian Blacks and take them to Flinders Island, thirty miles away. Many of Robinson’s captives died along the way. By 1843 only fifty survived. Jared Diamond recorded that:

“On Flinders Island Robinson was determined to civilize and Christianize the survivors. His settlement–at a windy site with little fresh water–was run like a jail. Children were separated from parents to facilitate the work of civilizing them. The regimental daily schedule included Bible reading, hymn singing, and inspection of beds and dishes for cleanness and neatness. However, the jail diet caused malnutrition, which combined with illness to make the natives die. Few infants survived more than a few weeks. The government reduced expenditures in the hope that the native would die out. By 1869 only Truganini, one other woman, and one man remained alive.”

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy (part 6): A Side Note

BROTHER ALI VS. WHITE SUPREMACY PART 6

This was a side comment to another poster:

Orig,

I’ve dealt with a couple of his kind before on this site. These are the types of white guys who will swear up and down that they are not racist, but in the same breath say: “Columbus discovered America.” He was on another post and said, in essence, that the terrorists can do what they want as long as they don’t kill WESTERN people. Of course, we know that “Western” is a code word for “white” (Western does not mean folks living in Timbuktu or Marrakesh–which are further “west” than Paris and Rome). In minds of such folks, non-westerners (black/brown/yellow folk) are considered less valuable than “whites.”

The real disease of these guys is their arrogance, and that they built an identity upon their skin color. They set up a racial system that precludes them from mixing with other races without putting their very existence as a racial identity in jeopardy. This is why wherever they have gone, they have set up racist apartheid systems and worked to annihilate native (read: brown/black) people. This has been the same pattern all over the earth: Australia, Hawaiian Islands, Algeria, Kenya, all of southern Africa, British India, and of course, in the Franco-Anglo Americas. We are not talking about an isolated incident or two–we are talking about a pattern that rarely deviates. That’s bad enough as it is, but then these guys turn around and say that they brought “liberty, freedom, and equality” to the very people they half–or altogether–annihilated. It’s one thing to be savage–it’s another to be a savage AND a hypocrite.

When the Mongols went on their rampages across Asia 800 years ago, they did not try to pretend to be something they’re not. These white guys, however, really believe that they represent the “universal man,” and that they are the liberators of humanity. Because they are so self delusional, they have a hard time understanding why a whole lot of folks don’t like them. It’s easy for them to fix themselves (at least in theory)–the first step is just admit that their ancestors did some nasty brutal things in the name of preserving whiteness. Nobody is forcing these white guys to identify with the likes of an Andrew Jackson, Jeffery Amherst, Ted Roosevelt, or Christopher Columbus. But as been said, a people are known by their heroes, and we know white folks by the people they honor.

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Brother Ali vs. White Supremacy part 5

MOOR ON THE OTHER STOLEN LEGACY

Prior to the rise of Europe in the last 500 years, there was another dominant civilization–and it wasn’t the white guys wallowing in the squalor at the west end of Asia (meaning the “continent” of Europe–as if Europe is a genuine “continent”–it is only a “continent” in the ideology of white supremacy). Western civilization is built off of what came to it thru the Moors of Spain (who were a multi-ethnic group of people–and not just “Arabs,” as many of the Western historians attempt to portray).

While “Europe consisted of a few relatively insignificant kingdoms 700 years ago, the Islamic domain stretched from Nigeria across the Saharah, Norht Africa, much of eastern coastal Africa, the “Middle East”, Iraq, Persia, the “Stans” (Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, etc.), India, Bangladesh, parts of Cambodia/Thailand, Maylaysia, and into the Indonesia/Philipino Achipelogos and also the western fronteir of China. Most of those folks are not “whites.” But whites will pretend that they “discovered” all of these people and brought “civilization” to them. They fail to mention where they got their sciences from. Here is a sample of those white guys who sat at the feet of non-whites and took the knowledge back to their people living in darkness (of knowledge–not skin tone).

ISLAMIC WORLD AND THE WESTERN RENAISSANCE
by
Dr. S. M. Ghazanfar

While the “occidental-oriental” dichotomy of recent centuries identifies the World of Islam as separate and `Eastern,’ that world, is inextricably linked with the West. In general, however, “Westerners – Europeans – have great difficulty in considering the possibility that they are in some way seriously indebted to the Arab [Islamic] world, or that the Arabs [Muslims] were central to the making of medieval Europe” (Maria Menocal, The Arabic Role in Medieval Literary History; 1987; p.xiii). Two notable contemporary exceptions are: Carl Sagan, the Nobel laureate astronomer (Princeton University) and John Esposito, Director, Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, Georgetown University. Both have candidly talked of West’s Judeo-Christian-and-Islamic heritage. Esposito talked of this heritage recently, and added, “Nobody ever told me that,” and that he “was always taught the linkages between Judaism and Chistianity…” (CNN, 12/15/95).

This thesis may be corroborated by merely presenting a few quotations from eminent past and present scholars (interested readers may wish to consult the references for greater detail):

1. “No historical student of the culture of Western Europe can ever reconstruct for himself the intellectual values of the later Middle Ages unless he possesses a vivid awareness of Islam looming in the background.” (Pierce Butler, “Fifteenth Century of Arabic Authors in Latin Translation, in the McDonald Presentation Volume; Freeport, N.Y., 1933; p.63)

2. “The Arab has left his intellectual impress on Europe, as, before long, Christendom will have to confess; he has indelibly written it on the heavens, as anyone may see who reads the names of the stars on a common celestial globe.” (John W. Draper, History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, Harper & Row; Vol.2, 1876 & 1904; p.42)

3. “Because Europe was reacting against Islam it belittled the influence of Saracens [Muslims] and exaggerated its dependence on its Greek and Roman heritage. So today an important task for us is to correct this false emphasis and to acknowledge fully our debt to the Arab and Islamic world” (W. Montgomery Watt, Islamic Surveys: The Influence of Islam on Medieval Europe; Edinburgh, England; 1972; p.84).

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